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Antheil
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« Reply #690 on: 20:01:49, 21-08-2008 »
Quote from: George Garnett on 19:47:42, 21-08-2008
A well known poet writes as long ago as 1954:

"Poor Mrs Waldo ...

... what she puts up with ...

... never should of married ... "



<Falls to ground in shock>

Dear George, if it were not for the fact that I am to dish up the beef stroganoff I would have regaled you with non-stop Dylan, and Mrs. Organ-Morgan (a Martyr to Palestrina) and Mrs. Ogmore-Pritchard (a Martyr to Dust) and Gossamer Beyon (a Martyr to chicken feathers, chintz and a ginger man in a brown paper bag whilst eating her lambs kidneys and chips)

You have had a lucky escape  Cheesy
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George Garnett
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« Reply #691 on: 20:09:11, 21-08-2008 »
Oh, beautiful, beautiful Gossamer B, I wish I wish that you were for me. Why are you so educated?
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« Reply #692 on: 20:14:29, 21-08-2008 »
 You'll be sorry for this in the morning.
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« Reply #693 on: 20:29:50, 21-08-2008 »
Quote from: trained-pianist on 19:55:40, 21-08-2008
This phrase sounds perfectly fine for me. Why cann't one say: Never should of married ....

This my kind of a phrase. I can imagine saying that.

People do, t-p, but it would be more correct to say "should have married". "Should of" started out as a mis-hearing of "should have" (I assume) but now people are beginning to spell it that way too.

I was just surprised to see Dylan Thomas using it, admittedly in 'reported speech', as long ago as 1954.
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #694 on: 20:40:43, 21-08-2008 »
Thank you so much for your explanation, George Garnett.

Phrases like this were always mystery to me. I just repeated what people were saying like a parrot.
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« Reply #695 on: 21:07:25, 21-08-2008 »
On a similar note, I always thought that the correct phrase was "fed up with" but common usage now seems happy to include "fed up of". Even such diverse sources as the Times and the Mirror.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3850185.ece

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/07/31/tal-ben-haim-was-fed-up-of-warming-the-bench-at-chelsea-115875-20677991/
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« Reply #696 on: 21:13:30, 21-08-2008 »
May be language is changing.
Russian language has change so much in ten years. It is hard to believe. There are many new words and idioms.
Some words changed their meaning so much that it is not possible to use them in the old way.
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« Reply #697 on: 21:22:12, 21-08-2008 »
"Should of" is misheard from "should 've".  Basically people don't know the grammatical basis.  Should OF doesn't make sense at all if you think about it.
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« Reply #698 on: 21:28:02, 21-08-2008 »
Thank you Millie Jones.
But how about BobbyZ phrase? I am fed up of waiting? Can one say that?

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« Reply #699 on: 21:30:14, 21-08-2008 »
Quite!
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« Reply #700 on: 21:36:49, 21-08-2008 »
Thank you, Bryn.
I must have been made to use such bad grammar by many different circumstances.
I am so tired today and should have been in bed already.

It is really difficult to speak any language. May be I should stay with playing piano.
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« Reply #701 on: 21:39:29, 21-08-2008 »
Quote from: trained-pianist on 21:28:02, 21-08-2008
Thank you Millie Jones.
But how about BobbyZ phrase? I am fed up of waiting? Can one say that?



Um ...
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« Reply #702 on: 22:00:04, 21-08-2008 »
Quote from: Bryn on 21:39:29, 21-08-2008

Um ...
I would argue that "Melamine-faced MDF and plywood" is not a sentence because it has no verb. This person cannot be serious.
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« Reply #703 on: 22:08:44, 21-08-2008 »
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« Reply #704 on: 01:06:16, 22-08-2008 »
It is all fun to you (You), but I want to get " I have not done it" form into my head.
I don't know how it is called (Present something). I am very big on grammar here.

We can not have me sounding like complete idiot. I want to be half of that.
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