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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stmI find this strangely flawed, at least as reported here. "Rock" and "heavy metal" is shoehorned into a single category, so people who love upbeat melodic American rock have the same personality as people who love satanic death metal? Hmmm...  . And "opera" is split off from "classical", but that still leaves classical containing a multitude of genres. Couldn't you at least separate out sacred and secular music, for example? And they don't seem to believe that anybody likes folk music The limited selection of personality dichotomies don't provide much personality definition, either. And because I like both rock and classical I have at the same time low self esteem and high self esteem It would be interesting to see the raw data to see if there's more meaning to the survey than presented in the article. [edited to restore link]
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« Reply #1 on: 10:33:31, 05-09-2008 » |
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I always get suspicious of either people or music being divided into "categories" or "genres", and in this case my suspicions are multiplied on themselves.
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« Reply #2 on: 10:38:08, 05-09-2008 » |
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Once again a common mistake: the inability to understand that it's perfectly possible for one person to enjoy quite different genres of music equally. A fatal flaw in this case.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:42:31, 05-09-2008 » |
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I'm both introverted and extraverted according to that and am a reggae fan at heart (idle git!)
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #4 on: 10:43:10, 05-09-2008 » |
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Like the Laura Barton twaddle, my first thought is "Slow News Day". There's something insidious about telling people what kind of music they "ought" to like, according to their societal position. It's related to the Laura Barton thing very closely - she believed she "ought" to dislike opera because of her wardrobe choices How shallow can you get? But this sort of empty trash appeals to newspapers and tv  |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #5 on: 11:08:33, 05-09-2008 » |
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I must have multiple-personalities (either disordered or not).
But I am not specifically hard-working.
What bunkum!
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« Reply #6 on: 11:13:03, 05-09-2008 » |
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From what I know about psychological tests (and I saw a number of them) and also from talking to people I can say that this kind of tests are usually too simplistic (primitive would be the better word for it).
First of all people's choices change and they like different (some times opposite) things. Does it mean that their personality has changed?
We are born with certain personality and I don't think it is possible to change it.
Both t-p and myself are always skeptical about this kind of research. People are not robots or machines. There are so many variables in their lives, their life situations, etc.
It all is driven by marketing and the thought behind it is that "they" can manipulate people. t-p usually laughs at them and this kind of research.
May be they can for the first time manipulate people, than people will understand. May be they assume that people are stupid.
I was in a number of conferences where people from different area participated. This kind of sociological/physiological studies are in vogue now.
The government is dishing out money for bogus research. Many people are doing Ph,D. (s) with this kind of thing, fast moving young man make the whole industry out of that.
May be I am too strong with my opinion, but I have a lot to say about psychology in general and sociology. I thought about it and I discussed it with different people.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:25:36, 05-09-2008 » |
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Inevitably, such a test 'gridifies' both a person's taste in music and a person's personality. The result is something that says that x% of people whose personalities fit box y like genre z.
Aside from Richard's reservations about pigeonholing (which I wholeheartedly agree with), it has to be pointed out that statistics don't really tell us anything at all about ourselves. While, admittedly, the value of this research really depends on the detail and content of the questionnaire on which the statistics are based (and the article doesn't really do us any favours, there), I would have to say that the research is practically useless in both directions (in the sense that it's a fallacy to describe everybody who loves classical music as 'high self esteem, creative, introvert and at ease', just as it's ridiculous to suggest that everybody with those qualities likes classical music). What if somebody loves jazz but hates blues?
Again, it really depends on the manner in which the research was framed, but I have very serious doubts about whether there's a point worth pursuing here.
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« Reply #8 on: 12:31:50, 05-09-2008 » |
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What bunkum!
Tommo
Utter twaddle. They've created the boxes to stuff the people into, regardless of the fit. More money down the drain on an exercise in stereotyping  |
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« Reply #9 on: 12:45:31, 05-09-2008 » |
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I am very skeptical about questioner type of research.
We give this kind of questioners here before concerts.
I am skeptical because people manipulate questions to trigger the right result.
Secondly, people are counted many times because it is possible they answered the questionare already.
Yes, there are people who work in the area who are more serious in what they are doing, but at math conferences they don't stands a chance.
There are more sophisticated mathematical models, but they are not perfect too.
Human being is not a machine.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #10 on: 13:10:26, 05-09-2008 » |
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. More money down the drain on an exercise in stereotyping Oh no, not down the drain, Mort Has anyone else filled-in the ENO Sponsorship Survey this week? After a lot of questions inviting you to say nice things about Sky Arts (ehem...) they ask you the usual questionnaire-type questions about your likes and dislikes, reading habits, tastes in music... and then "WHAT IS THE OCCUPATION OF THE MAIN BREADWINNER IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD?". Not you, the respondent (who clearly lives in a ditzy dreamworld) but the "main breadwinner". They're going to track-down all those "shy" classical-music lovers (like myself, Ian Pace, etc...) and sell us some double-glazing  |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
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« Reply #11 on: 13:15:10, 05-09-2008 » |
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Again, it really depends on the manner in which the research was framed, but I have very serious doubts about whether there's a point worth pursuing here.
Me too. In fact I couldn't see a single accurate or useful point in the entire article. Take this for example: "The general public has held a stereotype of heavy metal fans being suicidally depressed and of being a danger to themselves and society in general. But they are quite delicate things." Where on earth has this guy got that from? I think what he meant was: "I personally have long held a stereotype of heavy metal fans being suicidally depressed and of being a danger to themselves and society in general. But I met some after being frog-marched into the visitors' reception by the Adult Ed GCSE student doing this, and they turned out to be OK. I thought that was such big news I'd write to the BBC." And then this: "There are obvious implications for the music industry who are are worried about declining CD sales." How exactly? The decline in CD sales is completely caused by downloadable music. Even if they could accurately pigeon hole people, those who download music will continue to download music. I would have thought they were suggesting it had more scope for advertising self-help books on iTunes if it weren't complete nonsense from start to finish. |
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"Two wrongs don't make a right. But three rights do make a left." - Rohan Candappa
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« Reply #12 on: 13:32:00, 05-09-2008 » |
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It is very difficult to control who downloads what.
People share what they buy and what they download.
I don't know where this kind of research is coming from.
Beside people answer this questions strategically. I have a tendensy to answer what people expect me to say, t-p always answer contrary to what the idiot wants him to answer.
Beside who is manipulating whom. Sometimes people see what is going on and play alone. There are more sophisticated people and less sophisticated people in this matters.
However, all these points are not reflected in statistical analysis. The result is always what they (researchers) have set up to prove. I was involved in these projects several times in different areas.
Often they treat you as if you are Pavlovian dog without seeing that the dog sees the game.
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