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Lord Byron
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« on: 21:51:34, 16-09-2008 »

note the reference to economic theory,paternalism, but it was written in coniston, home of john ruskin Smiley

 
excuse spelling etc.
 
Coniston Peace
 
Outside an inn, one sits, with half a cider but feels full of coniston peace.
 
The lake, the duck riding the shore wave for fun, the sun glinting, the coffee and shower
of a new b&b at mid day, the rushing idylic river under the bridge, a warm inn with wood
beams, these are the things a day should fill, not the desk, the pc, the email.
 
Oh if we had heard ruskin and neglected MISTER Adam Smith, what an England we
could have made, what a land of country idylls.
 
Can a middle way exist, is it one or the other ?
 
Is it a nation of the tv drugged workers verses simple pleasures ?
 
Did we pay too higher a price for a high pile of pins, made in a day ?
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« Reply #1 on: 22:51:21, 16-09-2008 »

note the reference to economic theory,paternalism, but it was written in coniston, home of john ruskin Smiley

 
excuse spelling etc.
 
Coniston Peace
 
Outside an inn, one sits, with half a cider but feels full of coniston peace.
 
The lake, the duck riding the shore wave for fun, the sun glinting, the coffee and shower
of a new b&b at mid day, the rushing idylic river under the bridge, a warm inn with wood
beams, these are the things a day should fill, not the desk, the pc, the email.
 
Oh if we had heard ruskin and neglected MISTER Adam Smith, what an England we
could have made, what a land of country idylls.
 
Can a middle way exist, is it one or the other ?
 
Is it a nation of the tv drugged workers verses simple pleasures ?
 
Did we pay too higher a price for a high pile of pins, made in a day ?

Not too bad Lord Byron, although we have some misgiving about using the term "MISTER" in connection with Adam Smith (an allusion we feel that indicates an attempt to belittle his ideas by diminishing his status) He was, of course not a "MISTER" but a Doctor, as shown upon the following title page:



We are also not au fait sufficiently with Coniston (though we once camped there in our youth) to know what (if any) connection Dr. Smith may have had with it, since he was born in Kirkaldy and buried in Edinburgh (which we know is so far further north as to be in a different country):



Those who, in writing verses, use the word "versus" should be careful with its spelling (unless they are attempting some poetic irony - although overall the spelling was not too bad).

Do you intend publishing it? If so where?

Baz
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« Reply #2 on: 22:54:35, 16-09-2008 »


Did we pay too higher a price for a high pile of pins, made in a day ?

Lord B, save your editors some time by excavating this, while you're at it.

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« Reply #3 on: 22:55:55, 16-09-2008 »

the MISTER was just to 'put down' mr smith, coniston is where ruskin lived, it was written outside the pub,there,one afternoon, a few people have said they like it very much

ruskin said something about the price being paid for producing pin heads, smith was right about division of labour being natural but the industrial revolution took it to new heights

We have much studied and much perfected, of late, the great civilized invention of the division of labour; only we give it a false name. It is not, truly speaking, the labour that it divided; but the men: — Divided into mere segments of men — broken into small fragments and crumbs of life; so that all the little piece of intelligence that is left in a man is not enough to make a pin, or a nail, but exhausts itself in making the point of a pin or the head of a nail. Now it is a good and desirable thing, truly, to make many pins in a day; but if we could only see with what crystal sand their points were polished, — sand of human soul, much to be magnified before it can be discerned for what it is — we should think that there might be some loss in it also.

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We blanch cotton, and strengthen steel, and refine sugar, and shape pottery; but to brighten, to strengthen, to refine, or to form a single living spirit, never enters into our estimate of advantages.
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« Reply #4 on: 23:07:56, 16-09-2008 »


...We have much studied and much perfected, of late, the great civilized invention of the division of labour; only we give it a false name. It is not, truly speaking, the labour that it divided; but the men: — Divided into mere segments of men — broken into small fragments and crumbs of life; so that all the little piece of intelligence that is left in a man is not enough to make a pin, or a nail, but exhausts itself in making the point of a pin or the head of a nail. Now it is a good and desirable thing, truly, to make many pins in a day; but if we could only see with what crystal sand their points were polished, — sand of human soul, much to be magnified before it can be discerned for what it is — we should think that there might be some loss in it also...


This is also highly poetic. The situation as I understand it was this: Adam Smith, in arguing that a division of labour would produce greater efficiency, showed that if one man made the pins he could only make 20 pins in one day. BUT if the various stages needed to create a pin were shared between 10 people, their combined efforts would turn out as many as 48,000 pins in a single day.

But you are drawing here (I think) a distinction between "productivity" (= mass output) and "decadence" (= mass output of little value). Correct?

I suspect, however, that in Smith's day, the more pins that could be produced the better!

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« Reply #5 on: 23:15:05, 16-09-2008 »

I am saying ruskin was right, you can make more pins but at what cost ?

His point was that the factories produce goods but should society not produce noble and happy people ?

People are people, not units of production.
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« Reply #6 on: 23:30:08, 16-09-2008 »

...People are people, not units of production.

While I agree with you, not many of our current politicians would (especially within New Labour!). Today's society seems all about efficiency, accountability and "value for money". The present threat is about extending a person's working life well beyond the current age of retirement, and rationing economic migrants according to a points system based upon perceived notions of expertise and productivity. Most benefits are still means-tested, and infirm old people have to sell their houses in order to pay for sheltered accommodation. This indicates to me that "people" are still viewed in terms of their productivity rather than their human status.

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« Reply #7 on: 23:33:06, 16-09-2008 »

I am saying ruskin was right, you can make more pins but at what cost ?

His point was that the factories produce goods but should society not produce noble and happy people ?

People are people, not units of production.

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« Reply #8 on: 03:07:23, 17-09-2008 »

Nice pome milord. Was Ruskin pally with the Arts-and-Crafts set?

The bods at Etsy.com are trying to drag it into the twenty-first century. A creditable effort methinks.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:05:25, 17-09-2008 »

William Morris was a huge fan of ruskins and read everything he wrote, he was hugely influential.

I think via studying venice,history etc. and being a bit of a bible basher he realised that over specialisation to produce more was not as important as producing a happy society.

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