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Author Topic: Sci-fi and music  (Read 978 times)
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« on: 12:14:10, 25-02-2007 »

Ok, bear with me on this one.  On another board (no, not the BBC one), we got into a big discussion and it turned out that many of us, aside from been classical music fans, were also sci-fi fans.  I just wondered if this is the case here as well?
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« Reply #1 on: 12:44:25, 25-02-2007 »

I wouldn't say I was a fan, but it was the first kind of literature I became genuinely interested in, and that early enthusiasm has never really gone away. The problem is that when I started to become reasonably well read in a more general sense it was easy to see that so much SF is frustratingly badly written, particularly when it consists of a thought-proviking basic premise or concept for which plot and characters are perfunctorily attached just to make a novel out of it.

As for whatever the connections might be between classical music and SF, you'll no doubt be aware that there are very many references to classical music in the writings of Philip K Dick (and one entire short story, "The Preserving Machine", based around the idea of musical scores being converted into living organisms) - however, this isn't a feature of any of the films which have so far been based on his work.
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« Reply #2 on: 13:00:02, 25-02-2007 »

I'm a huge fan of science fiction but I don't think there is any link between that and my love of classical music -- the two interests grew separately and never really cross over.

I suppose there are a surprising number of SF stories that contain classical music references, but I should think the main reason for that is to avoid "dating" them. Beethoven has been listened to for 200 years so why shouldn't he still be listened to for another 200, or even 2000? It avoids the need to put in a "pop" allusion which will go right over the heads of your readers in ten years' time. You'll notice that SF writers use Shakespeare for much the same reason.

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« Reply #3 on: 13:45:09, 25-02-2007 »

The problem is that when I started to become reasonably well read in a more general sense it was easy to see that so much SF is frustratingly badly written, particularly when it consists of a thought-proviking basic premise or concept for which plot and characters are perfunctorily attached just to make a novel out of it.
Perhaps you would find the works of Stanislaus Lem more satisfying?
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« Reply #4 on: 14:46:11, 25-02-2007 »

I'm trying to think of any operas with sci-fi subjects - only ones that come to mind are Philip Glass's The making of the representative for Planet 8 and The marriages between zones three, four, and five. Anyone think of any others?
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« Reply #5 on: 15:30:00, 25-02-2007 »

Lem certainly stands above most of the field. The SF novel I recently enjoyed most was Justina Robson's Natural History, although I haven't liked her other books much.

Other SF operas: Tod Machover's VALIS, Karl-Birger Blomdahl's Aniara, Lorin Maazel's vanity exercise 1984 perhaps... and, stretching a point, Stockhausen's LICHT. Chris Dench was for many years planning an opers based on Lem's Solaris but I believe there was some complication regarding the rights.
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« Reply #6 on: 16:57:10, 25-02-2007 »

Is the Blomdahl the earliest example ?
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« Reply #7 on: 17:18:03, 25-02-2007 »

I have read very few sci-fi books, but I think I can state fairly confidently that I have now fully recovered from knowing that there will be no more new Star Trek series!

I read all Terry Pratchett's books, but I do not count that as sci-fi.
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« Reply #8 on: 18:22:03, 25-02-2007 »

The Blomdahl was written in 1958 so I suppose it is the earliest of the genre. I remember there being an LP recording of the work, but I don't think I ever heard it.
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« Reply #9 on: 19:36:24, 25-02-2007 »

I think you could stretch a point and find two Janacek operas in the realm of "sci-fi"... 

  • THE ADVENTURES OF MR BROUCEK (he does fly to the Moon and back, after all - I see this as being in the same kind of "humorous sci-fi" genre as the Lumiere-Bros "First Men In The Moon" etc
  • THE MAKROPOULOS FORMULA - this is more clearly "science fiction", complete with time-travel, an immortal being, a magic formula, and inexplicable circumstances.


Ligeti's LE GRAND MACABRE has elements of sci-fi in it (a malign force intent on destroying the whole world),  and there's a lot that's very, very unnatural in Prokofiev's THE FIERY ANGEL, which has necromancy as its central theme (and the strange secrets procured by Jakob Glock)

Stretching the point still further, Stephen Storace's THE HAUNTED TOWER (1789) has elements of necromancy too, and the confrontation with the ghost ("Spirit Of My Sainted Sire!") is one of the earliest openly "supernatural" scenes in opera?

Goodness gracious, I feel we've kicked the R3MB Opera Quiz back into play!?  Where's Parsifal....?
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« Reply #10 on: 19:40:59, 25-02-2007 »


Goodness gracious, I feel we've kicked the R3MB Opera Quiz back into play!?  Where's Parsifal....?

Just what I was thinking as I read this list of operas!  Cheesy

Parsifal1882 hasn't been around, to my knowledge, but did say he'd look in some time...
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« Reply #11 on: 20:04:58, 25-02-2007 »

SusanDoris - nice to find another Pratchet fan here - I'd refer to his books as Fantasy, rather than sci-fi.

Hmm, judging by this thread, it looks mostly like fans of Joachim Raff also like sci-fi! Grin

I've fairly recently read 5 of H.G. Wells books and I found "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" better than "War of the Worlds", "The Island of Dr.Moreau", "First men in the Moon" and "The Time Machine"...I've also read 2001 a few times and only once did it actually make sense!  At the moment I'm on musical reading mode and reading a volume of musical criticism by Hanslick.
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« Reply #12 on: 20:34:48, 25-02-2007 »

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and reading a volume of musical criticism by Hanslick.

   
So, sticking with Science Fiction, then, eh?  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: 19:03:10, 26-02-2007 »

Any operas etc with John Wyndham subjects ? (Well, we're talking semi-science fiction). What about the Chysalids ? Could be topical after all.
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« Reply #14 on: 19:08:10, 26-02-2007 »

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