Mary Chambers
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« Reply #6300 on: 12:13:20, 17-06-2008 » |
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Thank you very much to those who have given their advice about my insomnia. Like hh, I've been a bad sleeper for a long time, from the age of 11 or thereabouts. (I remember sleeping for barely 3 hours before my O-level history exam.) I think some people are just made that way. I have taken medication, both over-the-counter and prescribed, and certainly it helps, but sometimes nothing works. I will try hh's idea. It must be largely be psychological rather than physical. Trouble is you have to believe the remedies will work, and I don't think I do any more.
I know, I think, why I'm particularly bad at the moment. It's partly the time of year - I mean, it's daylight at 4 a.m or something, and even though I have thick curtains I know it's light, and I suppose some primeval instinct tells me that I should be awake. But mostly, it's anxiety about my son's wedding on Saturday - whether it'll go well, whether the best man will say something deeply embarrassing, whether I'll get there at all with the fuel strike, and of course whether I'll be able to sleep in the hotel the night before. For heaven's sake, you're supposed to enjoy weddings.
I'm sure the only answer is to stop thinking sleep is important. I just haven't managed to do that.
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Martin
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« Reply #6301 on: 12:27:43, 17-06-2008 » |
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I CAN'T SLEEP.
I think if I have another bad night I will probably go mad. If anyone has any solutions, please tell me!
I frequently can't sleep. I listen to Through The Night or something on the mp3 player, using those small earpieces that don't dig into the ear too much, sometimes only in one ear. I find that either I'm treated to an all-night concert or I drift off at some point with the music still going. I wonder whether the problem is that I can't get the mind to stop whirring, and that the music gives it an opportunity to filter out the thoughts to the point where the mind is more relaxed. That seems to be what is required: a quiet mind. I try to cultivate that during the day too.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #6302 on: 12:32:40, 17-06-2008 » |
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I'm absolutely sure you're right about the "quiet mind", Martin. I must try to get one!
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« Reply #6303 on: 12:34:27, 17-06-2008 » |
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It's a well-established meditation technique (and I think hh's habit of running through his day has a similar effect), but body-scanning can be extremely useful. It's when you lie down and concentrate very hard on every inch of your body, a bit at a time, just focusing on what you're feeling (tingly, warm/cold, whatever) and noting it, then imagining that you're 'breathing' into it, through it and out of it again. You're meant to do this for at least 45 minutes, by which time many people have already departed for Nod.
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« Reply #6304 on: 12:38:08, 17-06-2008 » |
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I wish I could get up to where you are, Mary. I've used the technique that Martle describes, not for myself but for patients. They've been away with the fairies in no time!
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #6305 on: 12:41:11, 17-06-2008 » |
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Mort, I've just tried to reply to your PM, but the reply has been rejected for some reason I don't understand.
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« Reply #6306 on: 12:47:23, 17-06-2008 » |
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Hmmm. That's a new one What does the message say, Mary?
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« Reply #6307 on: 13:03:28, 17-06-2008 » |
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I once used a meditative chant, and it worked!! One of the monks at my church taught me, its very good to.
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Antheil
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« Reply #6308 on: 13:16:35, 17-06-2008 » |
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I've used the relaxation technique that martle described and sometimes I have TTN on, very, very softly. Another thing that worked for me was changing bedrooms. Purely psychological in that the association of going to bed equated to not sleeping but a different bedroom for a while seemed to help. Or there is the old standby of a mug of Horlicks!
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #6309 on: 13:26:47, 17-06-2008 » |
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Hmmm. That's a new one What does the message say, Mary? It said the mailbox was unavailable. I've sent you a PM from here, not a reply, to see what happens.
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« Reply #6310 on: 17:22:33, 17-06-2008 » |
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It's a well-established meditation technique (and I think hh's habit of running through his day has a similar effect), but body-scanning can be extremely useful. It's when you lie down and concentrate very hard on every inch of your body, a bit at a time, just focusing on what you're feeling (tingly, warm/cold, whatever) and noting it, then imagining that you're 'breathing' into it, through it and out of it again. You're meant to do this for at least 45 minutes, by which time many people have already departed for Nod.
I used to do that too. I find it's not as effective now and it was never 100% reliable for me. Another thing to bear in mind is your relationship to your bed. I am firmly of the belief that if your only relationship with bed is to do with sleep, then this will create a problem when it comes to getting to sleep. As part of my new approach to sleep, I found that allowing at least 30 minutes to unwind in bed before even trying to sleep (reading, solving a crossword, listening to music) and sometimes allowing a whole decadent hour, meant that I didn't feel under this almost athletic pressure to perform (i.e. sleep)! A change of bedding and/or lighting can help.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #6311 on: 18:12:52, 17-06-2008 » |
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Another thing to bear in mind is your relationship to your bed. I am firmly of the belief that if your only relationship with bed is to do with sleep, then this will create a problem when it comes to getting to sleep.
That's interesting, hh, because official advice is often the opposite - that if you associate bed and bedroom with activities other than sleeping (and presumably one other thing ) you won't be able to relax. I agree with you though, and I definitely sleep better if I go to bed before I want to go to sleep. I used to have a tape player that switched itself off, and I often fell asleep to spoken word tapes on that. I haven't found a satisfactory replacement for it, and anyway it doesn't help all that much with early waking. I've also found that going over the events of the day helps - what you definitely shouldn't do is go over the probable events of the next day, and I have an awful tendency to do that. I'm going to read through these helpful messages again before I go (I hope) to sleep tonight.
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« Reply #6312 on: 18:20:42, 17-06-2008 » |
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I CAN'T SLEEP.
I think if I have another bad night I will probably go mad. If anyone has any solutions, please tell me!
I frequently can't sleep. I listen to Through The Night or something on the mp3 player, using those small earpieces that don't dig into the ear too much, sometimes only in one ear. I find that either I'm treated to an all-night concert or I drift off at some point with the music still going. I wonder whether the problem is that I can't get the mind to stop whirring, and that the music gives it an opportunity to filter out the thoughts to the point where the mind is more relaxed. That seems to be what is required: a quiet mind. I try to cultivate that during the day too. I am exactly the same here Martin, I always 'plug in' the radio in fact and have it on all night. I often lose the ear piece during the night so I don't often get all the really loud ethnic radio in the night, but the shipping forecast gets me off nicely!! A
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« Reply #6313 on: 18:25:05, 17-06-2008 » |
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I had terrible trouble sleeping during my unwanted divorce, I was like a startled rabbit every time I almost dropped off I was suddenly wide awake again.
It was awful.
Mary, you have my sympathies.
One thing that helped me a bit was sleeping tablets twice a week, which my GP gave me, and I also mentally took myself round my favourite walk....sometimes it worked to get me off.
I'm sure your trouble is being exacerbated by the wedding.....do try to enjoy it, if you possibly can! xxxx Jan xxxx
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Antheil
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« Reply #6314 on: 20:12:11, 17-06-2008 » |
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Mary, hops and lavender are really sleep inducing. You can get hop pillows and fresh lavender next to the bed really helps, or you can get lavender oils and creams. You could try a lavender scented candle or oil on a burner?
Sleeplessness is horrid, but as you get older you do require less sleep it seems.
I think you must be troubled by the wedding, but weddings are fun, you always think the worst but in general they pan out OK with no GBH. In most cases. Is it that you are going as a singleton? No-one to hold your hand so to speak? If you could take a friend to cling to would it help? It must be daunting to be Mother of The Groom.
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