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brassbandmaestro
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« Reply #8220 on: 20:51:28, 29-10-2008 »

Well it has been cold outside ofcourse but had the heating on! Today seemed especially cold.
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« Reply #8221 on: 20:55:44, 29-10-2008 »

Mrs 3-Layers from Norf Lunnun checking in here, although I realise that as a Southern wuss I don't appreciate real cold Wink The snow is still on the ground and on the roofs here and, basically, it's flippin' bluddy cold. I forgot to put the milk in the fridge and it was frozen this morning. Didn't really fancy iced tea somehow ....
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« Reply #8222 on: 20:58:49, 29-10-2008 »

I forgot to put the milk in the fridge and it was frozen this morning. Didn't really fancy iced tea somehow ....
You mean you'd have put it in the fridge to keep warm? Blimey, it is cold in your kitchen! Shocked
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« Reply #8223 on: 21:00:20, 29-10-2008 »

Milly, here we are one of the best Councils in Wales for recycling and we have a weekly food (raw and cooked, veg or meat or out of date foods) recycling collection.  It all goes to our happy worms farm and then they sell the compost back to us.  So we pay twice, council tax and compost (what we have provided free via the happy worms)  Hmm!
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« Reply #8224 on: 21:08:53, 29-10-2008 »

Milly, here we are one of the best Councils in Wales for recycling and we have a weekly food (raw and cooked, veg or meat or out of date foods) recycling collection.  It all goes to our happy worms farm and then they sell the compost back to us.  So we pay twice, council tax and compost (what we have provided free via the happy worms)  Hmm!

I'd gladly do that if we had the choice.  I was furious the other day because for ages now I've been recycling, besides plastic bottles, all plastic packaging, trays, yogurt pots, everything.  This has been taken away by the refuse collectors.  However,  I was wondering about cellophane and foil packaging such as crisps, so I emailed the local council to ask if I could put cellophane etc. in the plastics bin and I got this reply :-  Angry

"Thank you for your enquiry.

1.         At present we only recycle plastic bottles in the Green Boxes because this is the only type of plastic that can be taken to the reprocessing plant. Unfortunately we cannot recycle plastic margarine tubs, ice cream tubs, yoghurt pots, plastic packaging and other plastic containers which have to be thrown in the grey bin. 

In order to reduce the environmental impact of our operations we use local reprocessors for all our recyclable material and unfortunately there is currently nowhere in Lancashire or the North West that can accept the other types of plastic material mentioned above. We are continuing to look at options to increase the materials we recycle as part of our service and currently advise all residents to minimise their waste by purchasing fresh fruit & vegetables, meat items etc which use less plastic packaging and encourage home composting. 

2.         Lancashire County Council are responsible for distributing the free home composting kits. The free composting hotline number is 0800 107 3798. "


So....the refuse collectors haven't been checking the boxes and have been taking all that extra stuff I've been putting in, which they shouldn't have.   When you bear in mind that I am only allowed one grey bin that has a fortnightly collection, it is soon full and now I shall have to put all those other plastics in it again.  You have to be a family of 5 in this area to qualify for two grey bins.

I've a mind to carry on what I was doing because otherwise I have to make trips to the tip myself.  They can sort the plastics out the other end.  If they get enough, then surely they'll think of a way to recycle them?

It's idiotic if you ask me. 

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« Reply #8225 on: 21:17:01, 29-10-2008 »

Milly,

I think all councils have a problem with plastics, they are rolling in a plastic milk bottle scheme here, but plastics seem to be the hardest to implement a scheme for.   Perhaps we should go back to milk deliveries and then the glass bottles can be recycled?
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« Reply #8226 on: 21:20:54, 29-10-2008 »

I'd love to go back to milk deliveries.   I'd love to go back to horses and carts.  I hate cars.  I'd love to grow my own veg and be totally self-supporting for food.  I'd love to exchange stuff and do away with money.  I'd love an Aga or a Rayburn.  I'd love to have a completely solar-powered house.

Ah well.
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« Reply #8227 on: 21:21:41, 29-10-2008 »


I've a mind to carry on what I was doing because otherwise I have to make trips to the tip myself.  They can sort the plastics out the other end.  If they get enough, then surely they'll think of a way to recycle them?

It's idiotic if you ask me. 


This sounds very much like the conversation I had with Brighton and Hove Council about plastic flower pots, which they won't take.  They claimed that flower pots and other plastic containers made out of recycled plastic cannot themselves be recycled.  Plastic bottles can be recycled, but apparently only once, and are turned into the type of plastic that can't be recycled and end up in landfill anyway.

I wonder whether what they really mean is that recycling other plastics isn't commercially viable.  I find it very hard to believe - least of all here in what the Council likes to describe as Britain's greenest city - it's not possible to recycle these plastics at all.
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« Reply #8228 on: 21:28:33, 29-10-2008 »

I'd love to go back to milk deliveries.   I'd love to go back to horses and carts.  I hate cars.  I'd love to grow my own veg and be totally self-supporting for food.  I'd love to exchange stuff and do away with money.  I'd love an Aga or a Rayburn.  I'd love to have a completely solar-powered house.

Ah well.

Don't you have a milk delivery? I do.

My brother has recently had solar panels (or whatever they do these days) put on his house. I haven't, but I have thought about it.
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« Reply #8229 on: 21:33:48, 29-10-2008 »

I'd love to go back to milk deliveries.   I'd love to go back to horses and carts.  I hate cars.  I'd love to grow my own veg and be totally self-supporting for food.  I'd love to exchange stuff and do away with money.  I'd love an Aga or a Rayburn.  I'd love to have a completely solar-powered house.

Ah well.

Mills, that is going back to a so called "golden age" which, even if it existed, is long past.

I can't see you doing the school run with Dobbin! Giddy-Up there!!  Cheesy  And without money, how would you pay the school fees?  Would you exchange four pumpkins and half a pound of turnips for three hours of mathematics and a bit of French grammar?

If you want to get self sufficient get down to Tee-Pee valley, not far from Abertawe, but I cannot see you living in a yurt and mud.
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« Reply #8230 on: 21:54:07, 29-10-2008 »

 I find it very hard to believe - least of all here in what the Council likes to describe as Britain's greenest city - it's not possible to recycle these plastics at all.

Pea-Dubya - presumably you mean via the doorstep collections, as opposed to the recycling centres? To be honest, I've been putting out some plastics (not much) in the general recycling bins, but haven't had knuckles rapped yet...

In the bit of Wales I frequent a lot (Ceredigion), every town seems to have a comprehensive, brilliantly-organised and spotless recycling centre where you can sort and deposit refuse with an entirely clear conscience.
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« Reply #8231 on: 22:02:04, 29-10-2008 »

 I find it very hard to believe - least of all here in what the Council likes to describe as Britain's greenest city - it's not possible to recycle these plastics at all.

Pea-Dubya - presumably you mean via the doorstep collections, as opposed to the recycling centres? To be honest, I've been putting out some plastics (not much) in the general recycling bins, but haven't had knuckles rapped yet...

In the bit of Wales I frequent a lot (Ceredigion), every town seems to have a comprehensive, brilliantly-organised and spotless recycling centre where you can sort and deposit refuse with an entirely clear conscience.

No - the recycling centres won't take them either (it was at Hove tip that I had the conversation about flower pots).  Just plastic bottles, which you can put in the recycling bins for doorstep collection.  You can put plastics in the general waste, but that just goes off to landfill or incineration.

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« Reply #8232 on: 22:05:48, 29-10-2008 »

Jeez. You'd think that Brighton, of all places in this country, would have sorted itself out in this department. As I say, Wales seems to be light years ahead.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8233 on: 22:11:37, 29-10-2008 »

I'd love to go back to milk deliveries.   I'd love to go back to horses and carts.  I hate cars.  I'd love to grow my own veg and be totally self-supporting for food.  I'd love to exchange stuff and do away with money.  I'd love an Aga or a Rayburn.  I'd love to have a completely solar-powered house.

Ah well.

Mills, that is going back to a so called "golden age" which, even if it existed, is long past.

I can't see you doing the school run with Dobbin! Giddy-Up there!!  Cheesy  And without money, how would you pay the school fees?  Would you exchange four pumpkins and half a pound of turnips for three hours of mathematics and a bit of French grammar?

If you want to get self sufficient get down to Tee-Pee valley, not far from Abertawe, but I cannot see you living in a yurt and mud.

I would love to do the school run with Dobbin.  Easily done.  School fees wouldn't be payable if there was no money.  Why should I have to live in a yurt and mud?  My house is fine with a few adaptations.  There haven't been any milk deliveries round here for a very long time.  Only in rural areas.  I've been thinking about solar panels too and might look into it next year.

Could you heat a swimming pool with solar panels in this country?  I doubt it. The reason I ask is that my friend has an indoor pool and it costs her an extra £1000 per quarter (!) to heat it.   

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« Reply #8234 on: 22:26:12, 29-10-2008 »

I'd love to go back to milk deliveries.   I'd love to go back to horses and carts.  I hate cars.  I'd love to grow my own veg and be totally self-supporting for food.  I'd love to exchange stuff and do away with money.  I'd love an Aga or a Rayburn.  I'd love to have a completely solar-powered house.

Ah well.

Mills, that is going back to a so called "golden age" which, even if it existed, is long past.

I can't see you doing the school run with Dobbin! Giddy-Up there!!  Cheesy  And without money, how would you pay the school fees?  Would you exchange four pumpkins and half a pound of turnips for three hours of mathematics and a bit of French grammar?

If you want to get self sufficient get down to Tee-Pee valley, not far from Abertawe, but I cannot see you living in a yurt and mud.

I would love to do the school run with Dobbin.  Easily done.  School fees wouldn't be payable if there was no money.  Why should I have to live in a yurt and mud?  My house is fine with a few adaptations.  There haven't been any milk deliveries round here for a very long time.  Only in rural areas.  I've been thinking about solar panels too and might look into it next year.

Could you heat a swimming pool with solar panels in this country?  I doubt it. The reason I ask is that my friend has an indoor pool and it costs her an extra £1000 per quarter (!) to heat it.  


Oh, come on Milly! Surely if you were serious you wouldn't be using so much electricity on washing machines and the tumble-dryer? Imagine how sunny it would have to be and how many panels you'd have to install to power those, let alone a heated swimming pool! I should imagine that people who are really eco-friendly are extremely frugal with the power they use.
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