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Author Topic: Meeting Life's Challenges & Upsets  (Read 26265 times)
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« Reply #810 on: 21:25:29, 18-05-2008 »

Hi T-P
Your post is familiar to myself also - i go through periods where i can hear a favourite piece of music without it having the magical effect it has in the past - but then couple of days later listening to the same music makes me on fire again.
Before i knew this board i thought my musical knowledge was very wide ranging but reading many of the posts on here realize there is much i dont know - but surely the joy of discovering music not heard before is a thing to rejoice in !!
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« Reply #811 on: 21:40:42, 18-05-2008 »

I've gone one several-month phase of not wanting to listen to music. I got out of it eventually. It didn't worry me too much.

Have any other interests of yours also suffered, t-p?

I very much agree with TF's comment about following one's own curiosity.

I haven't actively listened to chopin in quite a long time. His music just feels so solidly set in my head that, in spite of my appreciation of it, I find it often almost stifling to listen to. This will no doubt pass some time.
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« Reply #812 on: 21:46:03, 18-05-2008 »

T-p, there are times when we just know we've had enough of one thing for the moment: it can be people, food, drink, music, travelling, staying at home: whatever it is, we just feel saturated. Every now and then most of us need a break from what we usually do, just to find ourselves again. It often feels strange, because we're aware that things are somehow different, and we become worried because of this difference. But I'll bet that virtually everybody on this board has gone through something similar occasionally: I certainly do. It's wretched when it's happening, but I've come to see it as a necessary part of development: just as when a crab sheds its shell and has to hide away until the new outside has toughened up - once that phase has passed it's stronger, more resilient.

You have obviously been feeling under pressure for some time, and this shut-down is just the you inside trying to find the right level to start rebuilding. It doesn't need much outside stimulation, it's going to build from within. So don't worry about not wanting to listen to certain things - it's just like an over-full stomach telling you to lay off too much food (especially rich food) so that it cab re-establish normality without too much external stimulation.

All these things take their own time: we have no control over how long it will be. But just as suddenly as feeling that you can't cope with any of the things that meant so much, you'll suddenly find that you want to start experiencing things again.

I've said before, and I'll say again (and probably again and again) that just a little bit of walking every day can help to get things moving: the weather's starting to get better(ish), so you should be able to stroll round the block or a bit further. You're not far from the sea, are you? Can you go and walk along the shore? The sound of waves is a great way to clear out those stale silences inside your head. Or a stream, or open country with birdsong - things to get you to use your ears without actually having to think of the sounds as music. Allow yourself as much you-time as you can, but not in your usual surroundings. Just somewhere peaceful that's easy to get to.

Take care of yourself,

Ron
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« Reply #813 on: 21:56:06, 18-05-2008 »

t-p, wise words from Ron, as ever, and I'd endorse them wholeheartedly. We ALL get tired of stuff in our lives, even the stuff we think we'll never tire of and that we've been promising ourselves we would always cherish if all else failed - children, music, god, whatever. They, like eveything else, can disappoint, and it's a shock when they do. But they come back. There was a reason you fell in love with music in the first place, and you don't get to middle-age (forgive me) having stuck with something for that long only to give up on it entirely. It's more complicated than that. It's a relationship, you and music, and like all other relationships it will have break-up to make-up moments.  Kiss
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« Reply #814 on: 22:17:43, 18-05-2008 »

Hi t-p,

I can only applaud and echo what Ron in particular has said and send another hug for your growing collection...  Kiss

I know a little bit of music (not that much really, especially of what's not classical) but I don't really ever force myself to listen to any (unless I really have to for professional reasons but that's a quite different matter). Even if one of our dear fellow boarders is recommending something very strongly I don't listen to it unless something inside is telling me to. I'll never know all the music anyway and there's no point forcing it down my own throat, so to speak.

A little time without it will do the trick, I'm sure...
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« Reply #815 on: 22:37:02, 18-05-2008 »

Dear t-p,
I was wondering if you were listening to the Chopin but so often what R3 chooses for us to listen to isn't at all what we need at that moment. You've already had some sound advice from other posters (I could do with a walk by the sea). I can only add that you mustn't feel guilty or bad about it. You need a break from music but as a piano teacher that's so difficult for you.

Love and hugs,
MJ  Kiss
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« Reply #816 on: 22:55:34, 18-05-2008 »

Thank you so much for your support.
May be I am too honest with my post and beg your forgiveness.

I like that comparison with a crab very much. I am late developer and go through things later than normal people.

Strange thing that it is so helpful to tell people on this board. I feel much calmer and positive. In fact I feel my interest to musi is returning as I speak. I hope you forgive me because I was struggling with many issues for such a long time.
My post came out unexpectedly. When you say what you think aloud and hear people response you can see where you were wrong.

You are really wonderful people here. I love you all.

I don't know why I put so much pressure on myself. I felt overwhelmed with chasing new (for me) things (books, music, performers). It is just realization of one's limitations.
One can not be a perfect teacher (especially with every student), be patient, give each what he need. The amount of patience required for not musical students with no interest is huge. One student can drain you in 30 min.


On the other hand I have to be humble because my abilities are very small compared to real musicians. If I am put in this situation that means it has to be.

Also at the same time to expect to be a perfect performer and perfect scholar, not to forget house keeper, friend etc, etc, etc.

There were so many contradictions going on inside.

However, I do feel much better after I read your posts. I am more in peace and I see that I was wrong with the way my thoughts were going.

 Kiss Good night now. I wish you all good restful night.
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« Reply #817 on: 23:24:39, 18-05-2008 »

Kiss Good night now. I wish you all good restful night.
You too t-p Smiley
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« Reply #818 on: 00:02:27, 19-05-2008 »

As I've posted here before, I suffered a spell of depression some years ago. While I was ill, I completely lost interest in music, I didn't listen to anything. That was probably the most disturbing thing for me as music of all sorts fills my life normally. However my interest did re-surface - or I wouldn't be posting here now! So, even if your loss of interest is similar to mine, don't despair t-p! xxxx
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« Reply #819 on: 00:21:43, 19-05-2008 »

May be my problem is not such a life challenging one, but I have been struggling with it for a while now.

It is not possible to know everything. That is an axiom.
I feel that I have been chasing new things. There is always music that I don't know, composers I never heard about.
I listen in a hurry to some new things that come my way. Than I forget it.

Perhaps I was stressed for a long time and this will go away? It looks like I don't want to listen to music at all.
It is frightening for me that I lost joy of music.
I don't know if I expressed myself clearly enough. All I want to know is if anyone else went through this phase and is there any hope for me to get my interest and passion back.

Like so many others here, I can sympathise T-P. For many years, painting was very important to me. But filling sketchbook after sketchbook and never selling anything became very discouraging. I still paint when I can't hold it in, but these days I have many other interests.

Since I have had access to the internet I have enjoyed exploring the astonishing breadth of information (and misinformation), but I don't expect to retain everything. Things that intrigue me are more likely to be retained, and explored further.

Perhaps you would find Desiderata worth meditating on?
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« Reply #820 on: 00:52:11, 19-05-2008 »

I'm transferring that wholesale to the poetry appreciation thread; hope no one minds.
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« Reply #821 on: 08:21:28, 19-05-2008 »

Wise advice from others here that I cannot really add to. So this is just to add my best wishes too, t-p. Like you and others here, I have experienced something very similar to what you are describing where things you hold dear have just become grey and lost all their interest. My experience is that, although you may be convinced it will not happen, the interest and delight does return in due time. I don't think you can force these things by act of will or expect to be able to: that can just add to the frustration. It's more a matter of being attentive to small pleasures and delights when they reappear, often from unexpected places, and slowly building on those. I was repeatedly told by people who knew what they were talking about: "You may not believe it now but this will lift. Let it." It takes its own time but they were right.

All very best wishes.

 
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« Reply #822 on: 08:25:36, 19-05-2008 »

And best wishes from me, too, tp.
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« Reply #823 on: 08:51:34, 19-05-2008 »

You will have realised by now, t-p, that you are far from alone. I've been wondering what I could say, but others have said it for me. I have similar experiences, except for me it is rarely music alone that ceases to inspire me - it is a general listlessness that makes it impossible to appreciate anything. "Nothing delights me", as Aschenbach says in the opera. I have been through this so often that I know by now that it does pass.

I'm in one of these phases at the moment. I look out at the beautiful sunny garden, and it means nothing. I listen to music I usually love, and it means nothing. Sometimes poetry consoles, sometimes not. It's a form of depression, I suppose, though that may not be true in your case, since what you say is that you feel surfeited with too much music, too much effort. It's connected too, for me at least, with poor physical health, although perhaps that's the result rather than the cause of the low feelings.

The reverse of the coin is that when things do start to delight you again, the delight is intense. I think really stable people do not experience this delight to the same extent, so there are perhaps advantages in being a moody, depressive person.

My love to you, t-p, and I hope you let us know when the joy in music returns for you.
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« Reply #824 on: 09:03:05, 19-05-2008 »

My love to you too t-p....it will pass, it sounds like you need a rest, it is easy to "burn-out" when you are intense and passionate.

Mary, I hope your joy comes back to you soon.

xx Jan xx
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