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I cringe every time I see "program" you obviously don't work in computing Mary! or "favorite" another reason why I prefer Firefox with its Bookmarks  |
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Ouch!  I'm going to print that out and pin it up near the computer, next to the Pieter Claez Vanitas. |
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Antheil
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« Reply #3557 on: 15:32:49, 06-07-2008 » |
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What I do loathe is all these americanisms that are creeping into our language. Also pronounciation of words. Like Schedule. Should it not be pronouced with a soft, as in the spelling, Sch, rather than, Sck??
Like in 'School' or Schooner' ? On the subject of bad English, this is the latest from the Archbishop of Canterbury (Yes, I know he is Welsh but that is not an excuse!) "Jesus feels the Anglicans' Pain. Jesus is going to be with those who feel the waterlessness of their position, with those traditionalists feeling the Church is slipping away from them, the landmarks have shifted.... " Waterlessness?  "He will be with those in very different parts of the landscape who feel that things are closing in" Well, that's a relief then. Shifted landscapes and landmarks seem to be the thing to cling to when one is suffering waterlessness. P.S. Donning Feminist dungarees and Doc Martens why is it that Parliament decides if we have wimmen Bishops and not the Church? |
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P.S. Donning Feminist dungarees and Doc Martens why is it that Parliament decides if we have wimmen Bishops and not the Church?
Because the Anglican church is the established Church in England, linked constitutionally to the Crown, with the Queen at its head and with bishops appointed on the Prime Minister's recommendation. Daft, but true. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #3559 on: 16:47:53, 06-07-2008 » |
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P.S. Donning Feminist dungarees and Doc Martens why is it that Parliament decides if we have wimmen Bishops and not the Church?
Because the Anglican church is the established Church in England, linked constitutionally to the Crown, with the Queen at its head and with bishops appointed on the Prime Minister's recommendation. Daft, but true. But that doesn't explain waterlessness as an instransatrive verb does it acccording to the Bishopric of Canterbury? |
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« Reply #3560 on: 22:10:09, 06-07-2008 » |
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I looked up this word, in Google search. Apperantly, its a noun, dated before the 12th century. The words destitute and dry come in to the defintion. Hope i have this right!!
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #3561 on: 14:45:04, 07-07-2008 » |
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I looked up waterlessness on the online OED and it was only defined as a derivation of waterless:
"Hence {sm}waterlessness.
1888 Sat. Rev. 10 Nov. 563/1 His preconceived opinion of the waterlessness of this country."
Rowan has probably been reading T S Eliot, who has had his knuckles rapped here recently by tinners for using the word oceanless.
I don't mind him using that word, but I can hardly believed he would use such a cliche of management-speak, self-help goobeldegook as "Feel the pain."
Perhaps he was thinking in Welsh, Greek. Latin or Russian, all of which he speaks.
Thought the way some slobs are treating him at the moment and can forgive him any linguistic infelicities.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #3562 on: 15:00:37, 07-07-2008 » |
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I have now looked up a precis of what Rowan said: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/07/do0702.xmlHe was referring to the story of Joseph being thrown into a waterless pit, in which case the reference to waterlessness makes sense. I searched the page and there was no reference to Rowan using the ghastly phrase "share the pain." I am very cheered. The nastiness of Archbishop Akinola of Nigeria is now revealed and he has overplayed his sniping at the Archbishop of Canterbury. I hope to goodness (I do not tell God what to do when I pray for people) more and more will realise what a gem the Anglican Church has in Rowan Williams. This is not sloppy, sentimental liberalism. It is engaging with the muddle and passion of human life. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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« Reply #3563 on: 15:07:34, 07-07-2008 » |
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And the full text is here: http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1881He does not use the word pain - that was the BBC's precis. The waterless pit is from Zechariah, the reading for the day. |
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« Reply #3564 on: 16:02:04, 07-07-2008 » |
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Thank you guys for clearing that up. Most interesting.
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« Reply #3565 on: 19:12:36, 07-07-2008 » |
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Thank you guys for clearing that up. Most interesting.
Yes, thanks for clearing up the waterlessness issue Don B. and I admit I didn't know the Zechariah. I sometimes wonder, whilst idly thinking of the Bishops of Durham, Rochester and Carlisle, to name a few, and not to mention some Archbishops, whether they are really suited to the job? |
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« Reply #3566 on: 19:21:05, 07-07-2008 » |
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To quote Article XXVI of the 39 Articles of the Church of England.
"Although in the visible Church the evil be ever mingled with the good, and sometimes the evil have chief authority in the Ministration of the Word and Sacraments, yet forasmuch as they do not the same in their own name, but in Christ's, and do minister by his commission and authority, we may use their Ministry, both in hearing the Word of God, and in the receiving of the Sacraments.
Neither is the effect of Christ's ordinances taken away by their wickedness, nor the grace of God's gifts diminished from such as by faith and rightly do receive the Sacraments ministered unto them; which be effectual, because of Christ's institution and promise, although they be ministered by evil men."
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« Reply #3567 on: 19:22:37, 07-07-2008 » |
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« Reply #3568 on: 19:57:27, 07-07-2008 » |
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Don B,
Quickly before I go to eat, does not the XXVI 39 Articles also say at the end of that Clause "Nevertheless, it appertaineth to the discipline of the Church, that inquiry be made of evil Ministers, and that they be accused by those that have knowledge of their offences; and finally, being found guilty, by just judgment be deposed."
But who is the Judge and Jury, their fellow Bishops or the flock they administer to? Or is it The Queen? When has this ever happened? A Bishop deposed? Not an everyday occurance I suspect. When was last cried "Will no-one rid me of this turbelant Priest?"
Gosh, this is a bit deep for a wet Monday in Mynydd-Islwyn. What would the Rev. Eli Jenkins think?
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« Reply #3569 on: 21:01:09, 07-07-2008 » |
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Well, yes, I know. I'm not a fan of the 39 Articles. I am not aware of a bishop deposed for being a bad 'un. And evil is a bit strong for my lords of Rochester, Carlisle, Winchester etc. Invincible ignorance, would be more charitable.
One of my partner's nieces was ordained priest in Winchester Cathedral. She is a genuine priest of the catholic church as far as I am concerned because Bishop Scott-Joynt laid his hands on her with prayer, thereby setting her apart for the work and office of a priest in continuity with the church through history, irrespective of the bishop's crass and insensitive comments on a certain issue. (He is always nice when he meets IGI, so he can't be all bad.)
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