grahamwebb2000
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« on: 22:33:44, 03-08-2008 » |
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I have posted this question on other forums with no luck, please tell me someone here has solved this problem! Namely sorting MP3 files by folder and file rather than the primitive ID3 tag method.
For example: My MP3 music collection on the PC is over 200GB and sorted in the folders I have chosen, I select the files I want to hear directly and queue them onto the Windows Media Player (WMP) playlist. The files are sorted firstly by genre: audiobooks, blues, classical, pop, rock, punk, jazz, and then for most, by artist and album. The classical folder is the largest and since the music spans 2000 years I have labelled the files chronologically by composer, using the mid-date of the composers life as a file name, for example:
1854 Smetana 1857 Verdi 1860 Bruckner 1860 Mussorgsky etc
Then within the "1718 Bach JS" folder for example, there are folders for each album:
Bach - Brandenburg Concertos Bach - Goldberg Variations Bach - Matthaus Passion Disk 1 Bach - Matthaus Passion Disk 2
This is very important because my recording of the Mathew Passion for example, is made up of about 90 MP3 files each about 1 minute long with repeating names (Aria, Chorus, Recitative, Chorus, Aria .. etc). Strip that labelling away as itunes and WMP do and we lose the order and the track gap timing - absolutely useless. Sometime even selecting the folder and clicking "play in WMP" is a waste of time because WMP re-orders the files! Heathens!
I then put compilations into one of 8 folders according to the muscial age, please correct my dates, they are roughly:
-1100 Early Medieval Music 1150-1300 High Medieval Music 1450 Late Medieval Music 1600 Renaissance Collections 1750 Baroque Collections 1820 Classical Collections 1900 Romantic Collections 2000 Modern Collections
Can anyone suggest a better way to organise this collection using ID3 tags? And a realistic way for me to implement their idea with over 4000 albums, because it took me a year to copy the collection onto hard disk, the vinyll and CDs are now in storage and I find I listen much less, simply because the ID3 tagging system has made it inaccessible. No thanks to the ID3 community for their very simplistic view of music. I expect those here copying music onto disk are facing this problem, or will be.
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #1 on: 23:01:55, 03-08-2008 » |
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Once you've settled on a filing format, making any changes is difficult - it involves a lot of retrospective work. Having said that, and recognising that such things are a matter of personal taste, your filing system did strike me as being a bit complicated!
I am pernickety about the way I file my music, especially the more than 8000 tracks sitting on my iPod, and the (slightly smaller) amount on my hard disk, which I file using iTunes. The key is to impose your ID3 own filing system, stick to it religiously, and not to be seduced by the capital-letter strewn offerings of Gracenote (which is good for saving you a bit of typing, but not much else), and not to worry overly about what folders your tracks are stored in on the hard disc - get the ID3 tags right and it doesn't matter.
The format I use is to turn each work or group of works into an album, with the name of the composer as part of the title. The actual disc is irrelevant - so, say, two symphonies on a single disc would be two albums, an opera on three discs would be a single album. So, to take an example, I have an album entitled Mahler Symphony No 7, containing the tracks from the work with each one preceded by a two digit number (01, 02 etc - two digits needed as Windows thinks that 12 comes before 2), as follows;
01 Langsam (Adagio) - Allegro risoluto, ma non troppo 02 Nachtmusik: Allegro moderato 03 Scherzo. Schattenhaft - Trio 04 Nachtmusik: Andante amoroso 05 Rondo-Finale: Tempo I (Allegro ordinario) 06 Applause
This means that albums (and hence works) are alphabetically listed by composer, and I can find the album sorting by composer, album or genre (in this case Mahler symphonies) or by artist (in this case Berlin PO - Abbado). I might also group works into large albums - for example I have all Klemperer's Beethoven Symphonies in a single album, the tracks listed as:
Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 02 Andante cantabile con moto Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 03 Menuetto: allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 04 Finale: adagio - allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 02 Larghetto Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 03 Scherzo, trio: allegro Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 04 Allegro molto Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 01 Allegro con brio Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 02 Marcia funebre: adagio assai Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 03 Scherzo: allegro vivace Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 04 Finale: allegro molto
And so on. Again, I can find them by composer, album title, genre or artist.
This may sound pedantic, but I find it works.
The problem, of course, is that I developed this system early in the piece and to do it retrospectively would be an epic pain. It is also dependent on playing around in iTunes if you want the tracks in the album to in a different order from the original discs.
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« Last Edit: 23:16:22, 03-08-2008 by perfect wagnerite »
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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time_is_now
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« Reply #2 on: 00:00:15, 04-08-2008 » |
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Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 02 Andante cantabile con moto Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 03 Menuetto: allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 04 Finale: adagio - allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 02 Larghetto Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 03 Scherzo, trio: allegro Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 04 Allegro molto Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 01 Allegro con brio Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 02 Marcia funebre: adagio assai Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 03 Scherzo: allegro vivace Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 04 Finale: allegro molto
Someone who's been doing far too much copy-editing recently asks: Why 'In' for Symphony No 1 but 'in' for the others?
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« Reply #3 on: 00:05:33, 04-08-2008 » |
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Organising audio on the computers and elsewhere (lots of my recordings are not music) is a complete nightmare - I've got nowhere near a satisfactory solution.
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #4 on: 07:14:12, 04-08-2008 » |
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Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 02 Andante cantabile con moto Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 03 Menuetto: allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 1 In C Op 21 - 04 Finale: adagio - allegro molto e vivace Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 01 Adagio molto - allegro con brio Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 02 Larghetto Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 03 Scherzo, trio: allegro Symphony No 2 in D Op 36 - 04 Allegro molto Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 01 Allegro con brio Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 02 Marcia funebre: adagio assai Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 03 Scherzo: allegro vivace Symphony No 3 in E flat Op 55 - 04 Finale: allegro molto
Someone who's been doing far too much copy-editing recently asks: Why 'In' for Symphony No 1 but 'in' for the others? The curse of the Gracenote capital letters probably striking again ... Being a pedant, I'm going to have to go away and change it. Now.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #5 on: 08:38:40, 04-08-2008 » |
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an opera on three discs would be a single album. Can you explain how you achieve that? I was attempting to rip a double CD the other day using Windows Media Player and couldn't work out how to combine it into a single album. Media Player automatically put each disc into a separate folder, and just copying from one folder to the other didn't do anything. Instead of showing 12 (CD1) + 6 (CD2) tracks, the album was listed in the Media Player library as containing only the 6 tracks from CD2. Renaming the files so the tracks ran from 01 - 18 instead of 01-12 and 01 - 06 didn't work either.
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #6 on: 11:09:00, 04-08-2008 » |
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an opera on three discs would be a single album. Can you explain how you achieve that? I was attempting to rip a double CD the other day using Windows Media Player and couldn't work out how to combine it into a single album. Media Player automatically put each disc into a separate folder, and just copying from one folder to the other didn't do anything. Instead of showing 12 (CD1) + 6 (CD2) tracks, the album was listed in the Media Player library as containing only the 6 tracks from CD2. Renaming the files so the tracks ran from 01 - 18 instead of 01-12 and 01 - 06 didn't work either. I don't know how to do this in WMP, but in iTunes the key is the track and disc numbers under "get info". In most cases the tracks will stay in the right order and you just have to change the album title and renumber the tracks. In some cases (for example where you want to put the tracks into a more logical order, as might happen with, say, a disc of 18th Century concerti) you need to alter the track numbers in the "get info" track. I guess the track numbers will be the key in WMP too.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #7 on: 12:41:21, 04-08-2008 » |
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Hmm. I suspect that WMP isn't as fully-features as iTunes, but I think you've given me an idea of how I should have been doing it. I will fiddle a bit more tonight...
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