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« on: 12:44:58, 01-05-2007 » |
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Nevertheless I'm enjoying Donald's survey of his music.Glinka is a composer I've only ever brushed against (Kamarinskaya, etc) and never really engaged with.
He isn't an obvious candidate for 'neglected compser' or 'rediscovered genius' so he tends to slip through many nets.
Does anyone have any fascinatimg insights to share ?
As a regular listener to 'CotW' I feel every Monday the keen sense fo freshness at broaching a new name,and every Friday the elegiac sadness at bidding him farewell. Itls a bit like reading a biography;there's never a happy ending. .
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« Reply #1 on: 13:47:21, 01-05-2007 » |
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Does anyone have any fascinatimg insights to share ?
As a regular listener to 'CotW' I feel every Monday the keen sense fo freshness at broaching a new name,and every Friday the elegiac sadness at bidding him farewell. Itls a bit like reading a biography;there's never a happy ending. .
Don't have any insights to share but for the reason articulated by Smittims, I do feel that the programme works best when featuring a Glinka, Zemlinsky, Roslavets / Myaskovsky, to quote recent instances, rather than when it takes another look at an aspect of a Bach, Beethoven or Wagner.
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« Reply #2 on: 18:58:44, 01-05-2007 » |
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Unfortunately Glinka's music wasn't greatly liked by audiences of his own times (partly out of snobbery - tastes in Russia at the time were for Italian and French music) and thus he would probably have composed a bit more than he did had he ever had the encouragement to do so.
I am slightly sceptical about this title "the father of Russian composition", because it's not really true. Glinka had 2-3 quite serious predecessors - Fomin, Bortnyansky and Berezovsky. Yevstigei Fomin had somehow secured funds to go to Italy, where he studied with Cimarosa - he returned to Russia to compose the first operas by a Russian composer. I wouldn't say he had a particularly "Russian style" of composition, and some of his operas catered to the contemporary fashion for exotic locales and stories... notably "The Americans" (which is about the native Americans, not the cowboys). However, he also went in for roistabout comedies with Russian local colour, particularly "The Coachmen At The Post-Station". Bortnyansky and Berezovsky were locally-educated talents. Bortnyansky wrote mostly ecclesiastical music - Berezovsky allegedly wrote operas and symphonies too, but I've never been able to hear any of his stuff.
Dargomyzhsky - Glinka's greatly-ignored contemporary - is well worth exploring. He experimented with the genre of the "melodrama" - spoken poetry declaimed over composed music (Beethoven used this in the first draft of FIDELIO (named "Leonore" at the time) but removed it in the second version). His opera THE STONE GUEST is occasionally performed - there is a dreadfully poor production of it in the repertoire of the Bolshoi Theatre, in fact.
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #3 on: 20:22:42, 01-05-2007 » |
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Dargomyzhsky is interesting composer. I only know his opera Rusalka.
Glinka I love very much. His Overture to Ruslan and Ludmila is very popular. The whole opera is very good. I love his Romances. Ivan Susanin is not bad too. There is good dance music there.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #4 on: 00:26:57, 02-05-2007 » |
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I did a bit of checking-up and found I've slightly slandered Maxim Berezovsky - it seems that he also studied abroad, in Italy, and produced an opera (PARTENOPE) whilst in Italy, to a Metastasio libretto. I am not sure if the score is still around, or is lost - I've never heard the piece, anyhow, so it remains a tantalising prospect. I think, even so, that properly speaking Fomin is the "first Russian opera composer", on the basis that Berezovsky was Ukrainian
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« Reply #5 on: 13:39:59, 02-05-2007 » |
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Read title. Mind went "sproing!". Posted. Poor Glinka.
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« Reply #6 on: 15:24:08, 02-05-2007 » |
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Caught part of today's prog and found much to enjoy - the songs anticipated Tchaikovsky in having a mixture of Italianate line and flowing accompaniment - I wonder if he heard John Field? - and hints of Schumann at his most boisterous; the orchestration (by Balakirev) of the polka was attractive and quirky and, I suspect, annoyingly memorable (!); the Prince Khomsky Overture had clarity and direction and again anticipations of Tchaikovsky (syncopation over a descending chromatic bass particularly characteristic). The only things of his I knew before were the R and L Overture (of course - can anyone come up with an earlier use of the whole tone scale?), the Ivan Sussanin (Life for the Tsar) Overture (a bit stodgy and disappointing, I seem to recall), Kamarynskaya (good fun) the two Spanish Overtures (not as colourful as one might be led to expect from the titles) and - my favourite - the Valse-Fantaisie. The viola sonata is an enjoyable piece too, both for audience and performers!
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #7 on: 15:40:00, 02-05-2007 » |
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I wonder if he heard John Field? He took piano lessons from Field for several years, so one would imagine he did By the way, Russian theatres are finally returning to naming Glinka's opera correctly as "Zhizn' Za Tsarya" ("A Life For The Tsar") again, after well-nigh a century in which the Commissar-acceptable title of "Ivan Susanin" was used instead. The Communist-era cuts and alterations to the libretto have long-since been restored, but for reasons of popular usage the original title wasn't restored until recently. (You will still find Puccini's Nagasaki-located opera called "Cio-Cio-San" in many Russian theatres, by the way - in Ufa, for example).
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« Reply #8 on: 12:30:46, 03-05-2007 » |
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It has been 'background' music for me over the last few days, some parts of it have been really nice though some has not, very mixed.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:52:51, 03-05-2007 » |
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Glinka is uneven, in my opinion. He can be very good, but sometimes he is not.
Reiner, I did not know Field taught Glinka (forgot). Thank you for telling. There are good romances before Glinka, but Glinka was thought to be the first first rate composer of Russia.
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« Reply #10 on: 08:51:01, 04-05-2007 » |
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Liked the violin music lastnight.
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smittims
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« Reply #11 on: 10:26:34, 04-05-2007 » |
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I think today's programme will contain Glinka's best music, his later orchestral pieces.
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« Reply #12 on: 07:39:26, 28-05-2007 » |
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I heard Glinka's Kamarinskaya on Breakfast show for the first time in many many years. I know the piece since very young age and I can not i liked it very much. But I really enjoyed it this morning. Now here in Ireland they are gonig through the same period that Russia went when Glinka was writing. What did the Tzar said: Why is it smell so bad in here? Let the peasant slave out so we can breath. (This is my free translation by memory).
It is amazing what one can see if one lives long enough. Here many composer close their noses too every time traditional musicians play.
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