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Author Topic: The view from the second clarinettist's desk  (Read 250 times)
Tony Watson
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« on: 14:44:37, 06-07-2007 »

Tonight my amateur orchestra is going to have a bash through Mahler’s 5th. It’s just a bit of end-of-term fun as it’s not the sort of piece we could present seriously in a concert, although we shall play it to the best of our ability. (Getting enough players for a proper performance would be difficult for a start.)

Last Sunday we held an afternoon concert; one of those family things which involved some single movements from works. At least our orchestra is quite well proportioned: 8 first violins, 9 seconds, 5 violas, 7 cellos, 2 basses, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets, 2 bassoons, 4 horns, 3 trumpets, 4 trombones, 1 tuba, 4 percussionists, with no unnecessary doubling, which sometimes happens in amateur orchestras in order to let people have a go. (There was also a keyboard player to take the harp parts.)

I’ll just mention the Berlioz and Smetana. We played the March to the Scaffold (translated curiously as Stake in our copies) only and it was preceded by snippets and explanations of what was going on. I know that some bars have literal interpretations but I think the movement is diminished if every bar is taken to represent something specific. The piece is in B flat so the B flat clarinet would have been the obvious choice for Berlioz but he calls for the C clarinet, which I and my co-clarinettist both have. It is a shrewd choice as the slightly more shrill tone depicts the horror better and I think it should always be used for that piece whenever possible.

Vltava or The Moldau by Smetana also uses the C clarinet at times but I think that was more for convenience. We still used the C, though, rather than transpose at sight as I think most players would do, as we don’t often get the chance to use them! There’s scarcely space for the clarinets to breathe in that piece and the night time scene is a bit of a killer, with about 60 bars of continuous arpeggios (yet I can’t even hear them on my recording).

Mahler’s 5th also calls for C clarinets and he is certainly going get them tonight!
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #1 on: 17:51:20, 08-07-2007 »

Eat your hearts out, Simon Bolivar NYO of Venezuela!

Actually, I don’t like the way Mahler switches between the B flat, A and C clarinets. Whatever his motives are, it’s not to make life easier for the players.

As I said, that was just a bit of end-of-year fun. Now on to our next piece: Brahms’ 4th symphony...

Didn’t Karajan describe Elgar as second-class Brahms? I’ve sometimes thought the third movement of Brahms’ 4th is second-class Elgar, but listening to it today (Haitink and the Concertgebouw) it seemed to make more sense than before. And, yes, Brahms uses the C clarinet in it - the only time he does so in all the symphonies, I think. It would seem a logical choice, given that the movement is in C major, but he uses the B flat in the last movement of the 1st (also C major) and he wants the second clarinet to play a low E flat in the 4th, which the C cannot get (the only solution would be to play the part on the B flat and transpose). Did Brahms and Berlioz (mentioned above) both want a military band-like sound, which the lighter, chirpier C clarinet might provide? And yet the Brahms is more sonorous than the Berlioz.
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« Reply #2 on: 18:18:48, 08-07-2007 »

Didn’t Karajan describe Elgar as second-class Brahms?

Being third-class Furtwängler himself... Oo sorry, that's mean.

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he wants the second clarinet to play a low E flat in the 4th, which the C cannot get

I reckon he's acknowledging by that very action that he knows he's not going to get a C clarinet! Smiley
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