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Author Topic: How much "explanation" is needed for new music?  (Read 477 times)
Reiner Torheit
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« on: 05:42:41, 24-10-2007 »

An American Composers Orchestra concert gets criticised for over-explanation...

(Philadelphia Inquirer article)
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20071023_Like_exegesis_with_that_.html
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« Reply #1 on: 08:13:22, 24-10-2007 »

I am glad that they critised for over-explanation. Usually only very short introduction is needed. I don't like long talks during concerts because they disrupt the flow of the concert.
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« Reply #2 on: 08:18:22, 24-10-2007 »

I agree with you, t-p!   In the concert itself,  I really only want to hear the music.  There are exceptions...  Kronos 4tet introduce their programs with brief information that explains why they want to play this music...  I find that valuable and convincing.

There is a place for longer explanations, but it's in the form of the Pre-Performance Talk, at which attendance is voluntary Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: 11:30:48, 24-10-2007 »

I often don't buy programmes at concerts these days (e.g., at Proms). They're a rip-off and don't tell you anything new. Of course it's useful to have a couple of sentences on each piece at a new music concert, but I have little patience for composers who need programme notes to "justify" their pieces. On the other hand, some (very few) are able to produce programmes full of interest in terems of research, commentary etc. Member Powell of this board is one of those very few.
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« Reply #4 on: 08:10:30, 06-11-2007 »

I often don't buy programmes at concerts these days (e.g., at Proms). They're a rip-off and don't tell you anything new. Of course it's useful to have a couple of sentences on each piece at a new music concert, but I have little patience for composers who need programme notes to "justify" their pieces. On the other hand, some (very few) are able to produce programmes full of interest in terems of research, commentary etc. Member Powell of this board is one of those very few.
Very few indeed - and what was it that another British composer once said about distrusting music that required verbal explanation to support it (only the time was the early 1920s and the complaining composer was Delius - I have the exact quote here but haven't time to go find it right now)...

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« Reply #5 on: 10:20:52, 06-11-2007 »

Can anyone think of examples where a hefty dose of explanatory goodness has been found to add a lot to a concert that people think they otherwise would not have liked so much?
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« Reply #6 on: 12:27:43, 06-11-2007 »

Can anyone think of examples where a hefty dose of explanatory goodness has been found to add a lot to a concert that people think they otherwise would not have liked so much?

I can think of lots of examples - for example, the first time I heard HYMNEN I got a lot more out of it because of the pre-performance talk by Greg Rose but there is a big difference between choosing to go to a pre-performance talk an hour or so before the concert,  and still have 15 minutes to take your seat, buy a program etc...  or being hectored by self-important performers within the framework of the concert itself,  as though you are too stupid (or rather, they are far too clever for you) to understand what they are doing without a For-Dummies foreword Sad 

However, I do make an exception for singers performing material which isn't in the audience's language,  who want to explain briefly what the text of the song/cantata/etc is about - that is legitimate, I feel.

I ought to mention that I have strong feelings on this because because in Russia all concerts have each item announced by a "compere",  and I keep a notebook of the utter rubbish I've had to sit and hear in this nature.  The worst ever was a stout matron of the "classical-music-is-morally-improving" school, introducting a Bach organ recital in Ekaterinburg...
  • "Johann Sebastian Bach was an extremely genial man."
  • "As a devout Catholic, Bach produced much music for the Church..."
  • "... this demonstrates the moral superiority of Bach's music over the witless piffle written by modern composers..."

I'm going to the opening concert of  Moscow Autumn tonight (a yearly festival of entirely new music) - regrettably an event whose appeal is usual deadened by the leaden approach of the announcers Sad   Maybe tonight will be better - but I doubt it...
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« Reply #7 on: 12:34:22, 06-11-2007 »

When considering this matter, there is perhaps the additional side issue of whether some people might need, or believe that they need, or be thought to need, some kind of explanatory material not only for "new" music but for any other unfamiliar music...

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« Reply #8 on: 19:23:16, 06-11-2007 »

When considering this matter, there is perhaps the additional side issue of whether some people might need, or believe that they need, or be thought to need, some kind of explanatory material not only for "new" music but for any other unfamiliar music...

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Alistair

Absolutely so.  I used to run the Pre-Performance Talks at ENO for a while (in fact Opilec here helped me with them!) and we offered them on both new works (MASK OF ORPHEUS, AKHNATEN) and mainstream pieces too (RIGOLETTO, AIDA), as well as "neglected classics" like MAZEPPA and RUSALKA.  I still remember Roderick Swanston on TRISTAN... I think it was the first time I ever understood the piece?

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« Reply #9 on: 00:16:01, 08-11-2007 »

I like musicians to say something about the music during a concert - provided they don't rabbit and have got something interesting to say.

I went to hear Florilegium with Emma Kirkby tonight - and no-one said a word! Since I hadn't bothered to buy a programme on the assumption that they would introduce what they were playing, I ended up having to guess who the composers were. I must say that it was a pretty dull concert, though it ended in the highlight of a Bach cantata - no idea which one of course!  Cheesy

"New" music can sometimes be quite old - I didn't know any of the pieces they performed. I suspect that the really tedious suite which they started with and which seemed to go on for ever was Telemann, can't get on with him at all.
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« Reply #10 on: 23:00:02, 08-11-2007 »

I recall the most miraculous concert experience I have had to date, which involved an almost unbearably frustrating first half consisting of a performance Ives' sonata, which I was completely ignorant of at the time, was prefaced by the helpful (not) comment 'Well, I'm sure you've all read the essay by the composer on this piece, so I don't have to say anything about it'.  HAH.
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« Reply #11 on: 23:52:38, 08-11-2007 »

I went to hear Florilegium with Emma Kirkby tonight

Did she enjoy it? Wink
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