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Author Topic: Dilemma - why don't orchestras consult each other's schedules?  (Read 1021 times)
Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #30 on: 00:58:33, 21-11-2007 »

Back from Concert 2 and ready to do a "compare and contrast" exercise on the two Carmina Buranas and the rest Smiley

Concert 1 (LSO, Hickox)
All in all, a terrific concert.  A powerful Chichester Psalms with a very good, interesting treble soloist, the 12-year-old Jesus Duque - an unusual voice, theatrical and not innocent-sounding at all (he also sang Gherardino in the Royal Opera's recent Gianni Schicchi).  Laura Claycomb's Knoxville was fine as far as I could tell, though I was at the back of the circle and there is a tendency for words to get lost in the Barbican's acoustic.

Carmina Burana was terrific.  Three first-class soloists (Laura Claycomb, Barry Banks, Christopher Maltman); a well-rehearsed, well-disciplined chorus (the LSC).  Although he doesn't get much to sing, the highlight was Barry Banks's roasting swan - the best I've ever heard - in heroic full voice right up to the top notes.  One musical "oops!" - the piano and the timps weren't in time with one another on the first beat of the piece Cheesy

Concert 2 (Philharmonia, Frühbeck de Burgos)
It turned out that Row B was in fact the FRONT row of the stalls - I hadn't quite bargained on being right under the soloists' noses like that.

I don't feel qualified to pass much comment on Thibaudet's performance of the Khatchaturian concerto, especially after having heard it from practically UNDERNEATH the piano, but I was impressed by it.  I enjoyed it as a piece.

Carmina Burana was problematic, and as usual there's a lot more to say about a flawed performance than a very good one.

For a start, there were technical problems, musically speaking.  The chorus were often not in time with each other (Si puer cum puellula fell to bits especially noticeably), the boys were flat, and I'm afraid that David Kuebler was the WORST roasting swan EVER.  He cracked some big notes and went into a cringe-making falsetto above the dominant.  He was just dreadful  Roll Eyes Grin  One disadvantage of sitting in the centre of the front row is that -  if you're a decent and polite human being - you know that you have to resist laughing or cringing!

Frühbeck de Burgos has some weird ideas, too.  I haven't heard his famous recording from donkey's years ago, so I don't know whether he is famous for being quite as idiosyncratic as in his performance this evening.  On the one hand, I liked a lot of what he did with it: the slightly restrained tempo in the first half of O fortuna so that a pickup of speed then reinforces the pickup in pitch and volume; the brisk tempo he chose for Veris leta facies; the occasional rubato to bring out a bit of detail.  But then elsewhere he messed around with the rhythms so impact was lost: he had the flute solo in the middle section of Swaz hie gat umbe taken as a sort of rhapsodic cadenza, and he slowed the start of the refrains in Tempus est iocundum right down before doubling the speed at 'Iam amore virginali...'.  It made me chuckle at first, but then I thought, we've got FIVE verses of this gimmick, and it makes the movement lose the momentum it should have.  I figured if Orff had wanted it done that way, he'd have said so.

On the plus side, the orchestra was extremely good, and so were the other two soloists: William Dazeley wasn't in the best of voice, but he gave a good all-round performance (including an enjoyably hammed-up Ego sum abbas cucaniensis), while Claire Rutter's Dulcissime was worth being on the front row for!
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« Reply #31 on: 08:16:01, 21-11-2007 »

He cracked some big notes and went into a cringe-making falsetto above the dominant.
Maybe someone had accidently overtightened the vice positioned just below the stave?

Great write up, Ruth. Thank you.   
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« Reply #32 on: 09:31:15, 21-11-2007 »

Many thanks for that Ruth. (I can confirm, by the way, that the slow start then speeding of the refrains in Tempus est iocundum is indeed on F de B's recording, although they're not identical, the final one being the most extreme of all....) 
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« Reply #33 on: 09:41:13, 21-11-2007 »

Ron,

Can you clarify?... an accelerando is surely customary (and in the score?) but a straight doubling of tempo was just strange.  F.de B. also stuck a great big pause between the verse and the refrain each time.  It fragmented the movement to the extent that by the time it got to Dulcissime I couldn't believe the soprano could possibly be that satisfied Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #34 on: 09:50:17, 21-11-2007 »

Thanks to Ruth I was also at this concert. The tenor was awful !!

I enjoyed the piano concerto a great deal as I haven't heard it for a long time and it was nice to 'meet it' again.

The Carmina Burana was very mixed I thought and I have to admit that I have finally made the decision I started to make in the '60s that this is not my favourite work.

I loved watching the timps. player, he gave his all. The sopranos in the choir had their heads down in the copies so much that they couldn't possibly see the conductor frantically trying to keep all together on several occasions. Men were better I think.

I didn't notice the boys being flat, but I was a fair way away from them Ruth!! Roll Eyes

Good experience though.

Can anyone tell me if the cd shop ( Farringdons I think) has now gone from the RFH? I spent a while looking for it !!

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« Reply #35 on: 09:56:52, 21-11-2007 »

I think Farringdons failed quite a few years ago, A. MDC took over their RFH area, and are now 'downstairs' and only accessible from the riverside patio area.
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« Reply #36 on: 10:03:10, 21-11-2007 »

Ruth, I might have misunderstood - are you saying that there was no accelerando, and that the speed just doubled? Definitely not what happens on the recording, where it is an accelerando, even if the most pronounced (and most convincing) I've yet heard.

Glad you enjoyed the piano concerto, too.
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« Reply #37 on: 10:11:22, 21-11-2007 »

Ron - yes, that's exactly what I meant - the weirdest thing I've ever heard done with it.

The Carmina Burana was very mixed I thought and I have to admit that I have finally made the decision I started to make in the '60s that this is not my favourite work.
I still like it, but for some reason this week - hearing it TWICE in live performance, which I think doubles the number of live performances of it I've ever attended - I became very acutely aware of how repetitive most of the movements are.  So many of them have three virtually identical strophes.  I think that's why a good performance is doubly important.

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I didn't notice the boys being flat, but I was a fair way away from them Ruth!! Roll Eyes
To be fair, they were only flat on their first few entries - just not bright enough up onto the tonic on "A-MOR vo-lat un-di-que"

One more thing about the ladies' chorus - besides being out of time (especially in Veris leta facies) was that they failed to sound characterful.  The semichorus of Chramer, gip die varwe mir had no youthful energy.  (I don't think it's anything to do with the actual age of the singers, it's all about creating the effect!)

The choir seemed quite small, actually.  That was one more advantage the LSC had at the weekend - substantial, augmented forces.
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« Reply #38 on: 18:38:16, 21-11-2007 »


I loved watching the timps. player, he gave his all.

Would that have been the wonderful Andrew Smith? Guaranteed to give it all he's got!!
Recently, David Corkhill has been covering on timps for some concerts rather than his usual position leading the rest of the percussion department.

(Just nipped in there to sort out the quote box for you, IGI: nothing else altered! RD)
Cheers, Ron. Not quite sure what happened there!!
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« Reply #39 on: 23:03:30, 21-11-2007 »

Don't know ... I didn't buy a programme as I didn't want to pay £5 for the one concert I went to for just a couple of pages about it!

Big chap (aren't they all!!!) showed a lot of white shirt!!

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