Ruth Elleson
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« on: 11:33:08, 13-11-2007 » |
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I have a ticket for this Saturday's LSO concert:Chichester Psalms (Bernstein) Knoxville: Summer of 1915 (Barber) Carmina Burana (Orff) Laura Claycomb (sop) Barry Banks (ten) Christopher Maltman (bar) London Symphony Orchestra & Chorus cond. Hickox However, next Tuesday the Philharmonia are doing:Piano Concerto (Khatchaturian) Carmina Burana (Orff) Jean-Yves Thibaudet (piano) Claire Rutter (sop) David Kuebler (ten) William Dazeley (bar) Philharmonia Orchestra & Chorus, cond. Rafael Frühbeck de Burgos If these concerts weren't only three days apart, I would go to both Should I go to both anyway? Which would you choose?
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« Reply #1 on: 11:37:26, 13-11-2007 » |
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Ruth, the first one, definitely. The Barber and the Bernstein both knock spots off the Katchaturian, even though I'd like to see Thibaudet play.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #2 on: 11:45:17, 13-11-2007 » |
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Well that's a good start... Further factors in favour of the second concert include the fact that I've never heard the Khatchaturian (live or recorded).
My main dilemma stems from the fact that I simply cannot choose between two terrific soprano soloists. And the baritones aren't half bad either. Can't compare tenors as I don't think I know the one the Philharmonia have got.
I suppose I do really want to hear Laura Claycomb sing Knoxville...
I have a funny feeling that the answer is going to be "both". Either way I have a feeling I'd better make up my mind today, as I haven't booked for the second concert and it is all but sold out.
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Andy D
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« Reply #3 on: 11:50:22, 13-11-2007 » |
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Hmm, well I wouldn't choose either, it's the final item in each which puts me orff!
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #4 on: 11:51:36, 13-11-2007 » |
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Hmm, I love CB (and haven't heard it for ages, so am due another hearing!) just not usually twice in four nights...
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #5 on: 12:02:21, 13-11-2007 » |
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Ruth, I'm with Andy D. I'd head in a different direction without using an expletive phrase!
At the same time, it can be stimulating to hear another interpretation within a few days of each other but 'Carmina Burana' and its endless repetition on commercials when you were but a toddler!
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« Reply #6 on: 12:04:48, 13-11-2007 » |
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Both - then you can contrast and compare (without the nagging doubt that years between has modified your memory).
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #7 on: 12:05:15, 13-11-2007 » |
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Fortunately I did not have a TV when I was a toddler, and almost all my exposure to CB has been in the context of "hearing it properly"
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Bryn
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« Reply #8 on: 12:15:46, 13-11-2007 » |
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I've only ever heard it 'improperly'. It is not exactly "proper", after all. Actually, I would be very happy never to hear it again, though I will probably give the Herman Kegel set of the whole of Trionfi, plus Die Kluge and Der Mond a spin around Yuletide.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #9 on: 12:22:00, 13-11-2007 » |
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Ha, Bryn, yes, I suppose CB is all about impropriety Incidentally, besides my immediate question, I really DO wonder why there seems to be no means of mutual consultation between different ensembles/venues as to who is doing which concerts and when. Date-on-date clashes are of course the worst, and I've come across some really quite ludicrous ones where a high proportion of the audience must have been wishing they could be in two places at once. The worst example I've EVER come across was two bel-canto opera concerts in the SAME arts complex on the SAME night: Juan Diego Florez in recital at the Royal Festival Hall, while Chelsea Opera Group were doing Anna Bolena next door at the QEH. It was so frustrating. There were groups of audience members outside the South Bank complex comparing notes after the concerts were over. Almost as bad was when I felt I simply couldn't miss the Kirov's concert of "The Nose" at the Barbican, which means I STILL haven't seen Puccini's "Le villi" which was being performed by Chelsea Opera Group that night (the only Puccini opera missing from my experience) and am not expecting to have aother opportunity to see any time soon. And as for Britten... in a few weeks GOT are at Sadler's Wells doing Albert Herring, the City of London Sinfonia are doing Owen Wingrave at Cadogan Hall, and the LSO are doing Billy Budd at the Barbican. Unless you happen to be free on the Sunday evening, it is not physically possible to get to all three (Last year I had to miss a Chelsea Opera Group Idomeneo - no great loss, IMHO - because Opera North and the Philharmonia chose to give two performances each of "Peter Grimes" and "Death in Venice" on the same two nights!)
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #10 on: 12:25:26, 13-11-2007 » |
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I'd do both, too, Ruth, probably, but if I had to miss one it would be the Hickox - I've never warmed particularly to the Chichester Psalms, even though I'm a sucker for virtually everything else that Lenny ever wrote, whereas the AK piano concerto, which I've known since I was a child, is a particular favourite. I don't mind hearing Carmina Burana occasionally, and Rafael Frühbeck de Burgos's performance on disc has always stood out for me as one of the very best (and not just for the presence of Lucia Popp, whose "Dulcissime" is worth the whole price of the disc on its own). I'm sorry, but I've yet to be convinced that Hickox is quite all that he's cracked up to be, particularly after his pedestrian, lack-lustre Midsummer Marriage at the Garden two years ago, though he has a chance to redeem himself on the 23rd when he conducts the RSNO in Dundee in a concert which includes the Britten Sinfonia da Requiem and Walton's Belshazzar's Feast (Roderick Williams as the soloist).
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #11 on: 12:29:00, 13-11-2007 » |
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(and not just for the presence of Lucia Popp, whose "Dulcissime" is worth the whole price of the disc on its own). There's a Brahms Requiem recording about which I'd say the same - Popp's the only soprano I've ever heard who doesn't breathe in the middle of her opening phrase!
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #12 on: 12:43:10, 13-11-2007 » |
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My views about the Orff chime with Andy's... it's a work I'd cheerfully miss, and I have severe misgivings about Orff's credentials 1931-1945. But the Khatchaturian Piano Concerto! Now there's a super piece Meaty, concise, and a perfect example of the Soviet Piano-Concerto tradition. The slow movement in particular has some nicely interworked elements of Armenian melodic form, with the ambivalently flattened/sharpened 7ths interchanging with each other throughout. It's a melody that oozes the ethos of the Armenian duduk And in a moment Ron is going to mention the musical saw So I would go to the concert with the Khachaturian in - and leave as soon as it finishes
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Andy D
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« Reply #13 on: 12:58:11, 13-11-2007 » |
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Incidentally, besides my immediate question, I really DO wonder why there seems to be no means of mutual consultation between different ensembles/venues as to who is doing which concerts and when.
From my experience of planning concerts (not on the scale of a large orchestra admittedly), there are so many factors to consider that it's extremely difficult to avoid clashes of some sort - it depends on individual planners talking to each other. One of the worst examples to be avoided is that (some) chamber musicians like to play the same programme more than once in the same local area, if they, or their agent, can get away with it. They get paid for each concert, don't have to travel, and they only have to rehearse one programme. Audiences at each venue are inevitably smaller than they would have been with only one performance in the area. Sometimes they might vary part of the programme, but all the above still applies, though to a lesser extent.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #14 on: 13:25:52, 13-11-2007 » |
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Piano Concerto (Khatchaturian)
Ah, one remembers so well dear Aram conducting it himself in the very same hall <insufferably smug smirk inviting punch in the nose>. Actually I remember not being terribly taken with it to be honest and haven't sought it out since. Rather, um, thumpy and grandiloquent my memory is telling me. But given Ron's affection for it, always rewarding to follow up I have found, it's now on the list to give it another go and maybe correct the Young Garnett's prejudices.
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