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Author Topic: Khrennikov and Myaskovsky  (Read 293 times)
SusanDoris
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« on: 18:22:47, 08-10-2007 »

What with all the to-ing and fro-ing today because this board was not available and then it is, I fear I will have somewhat overdone the flagging up of Tim Shuker's programmes this week about Khrennikov's piano concertos!!

Milly Jones has very kindly said she will mention them on another new board. The fact is that I am sure these programmes cannot be listened again' to, nor can they be downloaded, so this week is the time to listen.
The following is a comment on a course at Urchfont given by Tim and I wrote this particularly for this forum, also posting a copy to Tim Shuker.

Written Sunday afternoon (7th October)
I strongly recommend listening to this on line at 9:0 a.m. 10th Oct or 4:0p.m. Saturday 13th, as you will hear music by Khrennikov of whom more later. (I think it should be very good.)
www.glastonburyradio.net
'Unknown Muse' - the radio show.

This last weekend I have been with a friend, Ruth, at Urchfont Manor College near Divizes on a course given by Tim Shuker. The subject was 'The Romantic Russian composers between Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov', hut in fact ranged much more widely and included 20th century music by Khatchaturian, Myaskovsky and Khrennikov. Tim was an excellent tutor, confident, enthusiastic,  well organised and extremely knowledgeable about the Russian composers, particularly Rachmaninov, whom he places as superior in importance to God! (Well, I'm in agreement there, especially as the latter simply is not!)

The format was similar to that of the course I attended at Dillington House in June, with dinner Friday night followed by the first talk. Two 1.1/2 sessions on Saturday morning followed by lunch (the food there is very good!) and in the afternoon he played a video (on large screen) of 'Sleeping Beauty'. Ruth watched some of this, but I would not have been able to see it, so I listened to my radio. Then we both went out for a stroll up and down the drive! After dinner, there was a recording of the South Bank Show of nineteen ninety-something on the life of Rachmaninov. Very interesting. This morning, two more sessions, lunch and home.

He talked about 'The Five', Balakirev, Borodin, Cui, Glazunov and Rimsky-Korsakov and  told the story of how Tchaikovsky was the sixth; also about why Glazunov was one of them although he had had a Conservatoire education. He played movements from symphonies and piano concertos,  talked about Borodin's interests in chemistry and about the fact that he was playing through a new symphony to Balakirev when, half-way through the fourth movement, he remembered about a science experiment he had forgotten about upstairs, stopped playing and ... oh dear, I've forgotten the details of what happened then! I know Glazunov was able to remember and write down the first three movements, but the fourth was lost.

Ruth made a few notes here and there, but we did not try to take everything in, this course not being subject to a test at the end!
Balakirev's first symphony was influenced by Chopin and we could hear this from the movement he played.
He told us about Lyapunov, who was Balakirev's assistant, very shy, but whose first piano concerto won equal first place with Rachmaninov's second in the 190? competition.
He spoke of the disastrous first performance of Rachmaninov's first symphony, conducted by Glazunov (whose drunkenness I had heard of before) and told us about the question that was raised - how would music composition have developed if that first symphony had become renowned at that time? Pre- and post-revolution ideas; formalism, and the Soviet views on what music should and should not be.

We found the information about Khrennikov very interesting  and we were immediately captured by the vivacity of the 2nd piano concerto Tim played us. He was telling us that no orchestra in the West will play Khrennikov's work because of his political views and his criticism of Shostakovich etc. Tim runs a programme on Glastonbury radio and I asked immediately whether he himself was able to play Khrennikov's work on his show. The answer was yes, definitely, and this week's programme (today at 4.0 and repeated on Wednesdays and anothr time - details on his website) is about Khrennikov. I shall not be able to listen on line on Wednesday morning, but I shall certainly try to catch it on the second repeat. Apart from anything else, Tim speaks with such enthusiasm and expertise.
Khrennikov died earlier this year, so perhaps it would be a good time to hear his music.
Myaskovsky was Khatchaturian's teacher and we heard part of his 17th symphony. He wrote 27 so I wondered whether perhaps there were many similarities?! However, Tim, who has a whole set - again bought in Russia - said that they are all individual, very good and he loves them.         
He ended the weekend with the Khatchaturian symphony which involves 16 extra trumpets, a large church organ and goodness knows what else besides! This, like quite a few of the works he played, I had never heard before and wow, what a finish! He said he was at the Leeds live performance of this with BBC Symphony Orchestra (I think) in early 1990s and says that that live performance is most definitely the best CD to buy.
He referred to formalism but I shall need to read a bit more about that.
Lyupanov set up the school in Paris in 1924 for Russian émigrés, but died just a few months later.

We have a hand-out with information on, but I have not read that yet. I shall not have time for a week or so, because it is tomorrow that I go (with another friend) to a recital by Dmitri Hvorostovsky at the Barbican.

I can see that Chris at HMV in Southampton is going to be pleased the next time I go in for more music!
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« Reply #1 on: 18:45:04, 08-10-2007 »

Marvellous stuff!  I'm glad you came away from this event enthused and raring for more! Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 18:53:09, 08-10-2007 »

Thank you for a very fine post SusanDoris, good to know you had such a good weekend. I think there was a brief and rather disparaging thread about Khrennikov on here when he died but good to have an alternative view. I don't think Myaskovsky is in need of having his reputation saved salvaged. I only have a recording of his most played symphony the sixth but it's one I often go back too.
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« Reply #3 on: 17:46:43, 13-10-2007 »

Well, I managed with some help to listen live to Glastonbury Radio to the programme. Tim Shuker played the first and second piano concertos and the first movement, plus a few minutes of the second movement of the third piano concerto. It was the second he played last weekend - and I liked that more than the others. The third seemed to be rather crash, bang... but I would have to listen again to see if it gains appeal. I phoned HMV to ask about the CD which is KAP009 but it did not come up on their computer though.  The sound was poor and there were sudden gaps here and there.

Also the programme before - which I turned on to make sure I was in the right place - was all about the wonders of cannabis and some odd bod who was hoping not to be arrested when he went to a gathering at Hyde Park Corner! I think I should put a smiley there, but not sure which one to choose!
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« Reply #4 on: 10:49:05, 24-10-2007 »

Thanks for your interesting post, SusanDoris.  I happened upon a mention of Tim Shuker and his music weekends too late to consider attending his weekends on Rachmaninoff and on the Russian Composers.  Pity.  I always warm to those who appreciate the greatness of Rachmaninoff.
I did manage a weekend in New York (in September) with the Rachmaninoff Society and Vladimir Ashkenazy which was pretty darn good, though!
Do let us know of any similar weekends?  Thanks.

p.s. I've enjoyed much of Miaskovsky's music for decades after picking up an early Artia LP of his 27th (I think - I must see if it is still in the loft!).  I currently have recordings of 10 of his Symphonies.  I must dust some of them off.......

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« Reply #5 on: 15:33:48, 24-10-2007 »

I'm very pleased to see some appreciation being recorded of Miaskovsky. I have just completed one year's ownership of a set of 16 CDs of his complete orchestral works (excluding the concertos, which I have separately). Because there were so many symphonies (27) in order to keep track of my listening to them I made a chart to write down which ones I listened to and on what dates. They are indeed all fairly individual, but I find that I prefer the later ones to the early, apart from No. 1. Nos. 2 to 7 are a bit turgid, and over-scored, with too much reliance on augmented chords. What first attracted me to Miaskovsky was his unerring ability to depict melancholy in his music. The set of CDs is fine: the only real disadvantage is that No. 6 is without the chorus (I have long had a Russian LP of No. 6 which did include the chorus, and the sudden appearance of the voices in the last movement did seem to be a major feature of the work, whereas if the chorus is omitted and the parts are only played on instruments (which I believe was sanctioned by the composer) it seems anti-climactic if one has become accustomed to the choral version.) Apart from the 27 symphonies, which heaven knows are rare enough in general listening experience in the west, there are also several other orchestral works which must be accounted as ultra-rare:I'll list their titles in case anyone is interested. They are: "Hulpigung's Overture"; "Slav Rhapsody"; "Ouverture pathetique"; "The Vow of Silence"; Serenade No. 1 in E flat - ( why No. 1? - there is no other numbered serenade in the set); Concertino lirico; "Links"; Divertissement; "Alastor"; Symphonettes nos. 1,2, & 3.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:16:05, 24-10-2007 »

What first attracted me to Miaskovsky was his unerring ability to depict melancholy in his music.

I know exactly what you mean lddf.
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« Reply #7 on: 21:38:54, 24-10-2007 »

TTN featured some of Myakovsky's string quartets a while ago - I thought they were very similar to Shostakovich, but well worth listening to. I will try some of the symphonies if I come across them - the sixth sounds good.

EDIT - just found my recording - it was his third quartet, in a 2003 Borodin Quartet recital from Paris, with pieces also from Prokofiev and Shostakovich. All good.
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