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Musica Ricercata Now there's a piece by Ligeti that I really like!  |
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« Reply #91 on: 11:18:59, 16-12-2007 » |
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Friedrich Cerha! What an eye-opener of a reminder! Great composer! (I don't mean great in the hallowed sense, but in the sense of super-good)
I'll look out for that col legno CD myself. A mental non-block.
And for that 'hillbilly' comment, Ian, I'm not done with you yet...
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« Reply #92 on: 11:36:51, 16-12-2007 » |
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OMG! Ikonen des 20. Jahrhunderts: Orchester des Mariinsky Theaters/Valery Gergiev
20.02.2003, 19:30, Helmut List-Halle, Waagner-Biró-Straße 98a, 8020 Graz
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« Reply #93 on: 11:44:07, 16-12-2007 » |
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The hometown, sugary, hilly-billy side of Nancarrow's harmonic language So what's this mean exactly, Ian?  (Is it just all the triads?...) |
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« Reply #94 on: 11:48:39, 16-12-2007 » |
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I think it's that the player piano is thus made to sound more like it belongs in a honky-tonk bar, which makes the pieces all the more fetching in my opinion. I think to find it hometown sugary, you have to be a certain kind of European insider.
Barb! Barb! See? I still got it in me! Put up yer dukes, stranger! Yeehaw! I'm fixin' to mosey down to the 'yard 'n feed ma cow Bessie.
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« Reply #95 on: 11:54:06, 16-12-2007 » |
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It must be all those root-position major triads spiced up by those exotic Spanish bits
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« Reply #96 on: 11:56:23, 16-12-2007 » |
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Yo, Dish!
I can't say I much like them strings o' parallel triads in a lot of CN's pieces, although I'd say they're functioning as texture (delineating streams of material from one another) rather than harmony. I much prefer the Spanish bits.
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« Reply #97 on: 23:00:12, 16-12-2007 » |
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Friedrich Cerha! Now spinning: Spiegel IV (preceded by the preceding ones). The way this music works might be thought of as somewhat one-dimensional in the way it's constantly and gradually evolving from one textural "state" to another with hardly any abrupt changes or events, and it certainly isn't as polished as the textural music of Ligeti (or as unpolished as that of Penderecki), the recording isn't that great and I suspect the performance is a bit generalised, but the breadth of it is quite impressive and much of the sound-material is too ( Spiegel IV relies a bit too much on textures of unsynchronised staccato brass sounds for my liking, but elsewhere it combines orchestra and electronic tape in a rather interesting way). Cerha didn't pursue this kind of music much further, as far as I know. |
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« Reply #98 on: 18:42:35, 17-12-2007 » |
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Friedrich Cerha? Whoa. I do believe I might have mentioned him to Ian a week or two ago as a proto-spectralist, with specific reference to Spiegel V (I haven't heard the rest of the cycle, didn't realise it was commercially recorded, I'd better get a hold of that).
Hamburg Concerto? He only added one movement in the end, didn't he, Ollie, though he'd promised two. I find the whole thing absurdly short-winded, and I can't believe anyone who'd spent any time with the music of Grisey, Niculescu, or Vivier would see anything all that interesting in the tuning antics.
(Although Ligeti had. Spent time with Nic's and Viv's music. And presumably thought he was up to something interesting. Ain't subjectivity a funny thing?)
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« Reply #99 on: 19:05:02, 17-12-2007 » |
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Last year, I heard Reinbert de Leeuw on Dutch radio. He said that Ligeti was deeply disappointed about his own music towards the end of his life.
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« Reply #100 on: 19:13:32, 17-12-2007 » |
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Last year, I heard Reinbert de Leeuw on Dutch radio. He said that Ligeti was deeply disappointed about his own music towards the end of his life.
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Ligeti was deeply disappointed about most things towards the end of his life, Pim. Poor man.  |
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« Reply #102 on: 14:07:00, 20-12-2007 » |
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Gosh, I'm a big fan of Nancarrow, honkey-tonk, parallel triads, and spanishisms notwithstanding; can easily listen to him for hours (I used to have a very short threshold for ligeti; couldn't take more than a few minutes before becoming very uncomfortable with it; I'm good now, though, I think).
Anyone have any particularly beloved studies?
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« Reply #103 on: 14:11:12, 20-12-2007 » |
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I've said this before, but inexact repetition seems to be the order of my day so far.
I get an awful lot more out of the studies if I listen to them in books.
Listening to all of them in one fell swoop is just too much and they all start sounding the same.
I actually really like Book 3 although I know that has raise accusations of perversion on my part before now.
In fact, I'm going to go and listen to it now.
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« Reply #104 on: 15:15:30, 20-12-2007 » |
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I like both the Nancarrow and Ligeti keyboard studies. Got Nancarrow study no 3 on now - he could really boogie-woogie! For those who don't know Nancarrow, here's a taster: nancarrow study 3e.mp3 |
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