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Author Topic: Mental Block  (Read 2510 times)
Donna Elvira
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« on: 07:27:13, 14-11-2007 »

I just wondered if anybody out there had a mental block regarding certain composers.  I like to think that I enjoy a wide spectrum of music but there are some composers for whose works I feel either apathy or actual dislike.  For example, I find Debussy very boring (apart from Prelude a l'apres midi d'une faune) and I just don't understand what people see in Pelleas et Melisande, despite having persevered with it.

Delius is another - apart from one or two pieces, his music leaves me cold.  As for Sibelius . . . .

Two questions:

(a) Am I alone in this?

(b) Should I feel guilty about it?!

(Sorry about the lack of accents - I've not worked out how to do them yet.)
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« Reply #1 on: 07:42:11, 14-11-2007 »

I think it's entirely normal to have certain composers to whom you feel ambivalent.  I seem to remember a lot of people here felt that way about Brahms when this question was aired a few months ago?   (I certainly do).  I also have a block about Bruckner, despite having tried hard and listened to nearly all his orchestral output (I even visited his birthplace museum in Linz).

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Donna Elvira
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« Reply #2 on: 08:24:07, 14-11-2007 »

That's interesting, Reiner.  I adore Brahms's orchestral works but detest his clarinet sonatas (probably through having been forced to play them when I was a young gel).  As for Bruckner's symphonies, they can sometimes seem a little bombastic but, in an odd way, that seems to be part of the attraction!  I love his seventh symphony more than the others.
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« Reply #3 on: 09:33:10, 14-11-2007 »

I'm sure that most of our contributors have mental blocks about certain composers, DE; though unlike the Beeb board, the majority here tend to hint at the fact rather than trumpet it from the rooftops and/or ascribe the problem to the composers themselves. Since we don't all care for exactly the same food, drink or people, there's absolutely no reason why our tastes in music should precisely align: indeed, wouldn't it be an infinitely more boring world were that the case?. If a composer is unable to push your personal button, it means that there must be others who most certainly do, and there lies the joy. It is neither a crime nor an aberration to be unable to connect with some music: after all there is so much of it out there that most of us will have little enough time to find and listen to even a fraction of what might please us.

I'm not sure that working at trying to like something is often the answer, but sometimes things creep up on you and penetrate defences: maybe the performances heard to date have been at fault, or it is a taste as yet unacquired, or even that the work that is yet to unlock the key to the love of a particular composer's œuvre has passed one by so far.

You're not alone by a long chalk, although the names may wll be different in other cases; but I do appreciate the sensitivity of your approach to this.

Best wishes,

Ron
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Donna Elvira
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« Reply #4 on: 10:34:40, 14-11-2007 »

Thanks very much, Ron.  Perhaps there'll be a 'Road to Damascus' moment one day.  It's certainly happened to me before with pieces I'd never even considered before.  Once, I was driving along when a Chopin nocturne came on the radio and I actually had to pull over because I was weeping so much.  Richard Strauss's Befreit had exactly the same effect on first hearing.

It certainly would be boring if we all liked the same things, though!
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« Reply #5 on: 10:36:16, 14-11-2007 »

What I find interesting is that certain composers - eg Brahms, Bruckner, Delius, Vaughan Williams - are more susceptible to the mental block syndrome than others. Any thoughts on why that might be?
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« Reply #6 on: 10:47:02, 14-11-2007 »

Perhaps there'll be a 'Road to Damascus' moment one day. 

For me it's often a case of coming across the right piece at the right moment and then everything falls into place, especially if that right piece is brought to your attention by someone who knows what you like. (This messageboard will be full of such people once you've been around for a while!) For example, I always had an almost physical aversion to Shostakovich until Oliver Sudden (who, to be fair, is an old friend and longtime colleague IRL) had me listen to the finale of the Fourth Symphony, after which it all "suddenly" made sense.

My own block goes by the name of Benjamin Britten. Sometimes it seems as if everyone likes his music except me.

Roslyn, that's an interesting point - it strikes me that the four composers you mention are, in their different ways, embedded in their national cultures to an extent that many others aren't: music doesn't get any more "German" than Brahms (if I may indulge in such a vast simplification) and that may be a positive factor for some people and a negative one for others (to me it isn't a factor at all, but as has been said we're all different).
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« Reply #7 on: 11:01:20, 14-11-2007 »

I was hesitating mentioning my particular block but Richard has done it for me. Britten.  I have tried, truly I have tried but he leaves me cold, boardering on irritation. Apart from the Sea Interludes.  Maybe one day ...
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« Reply #8 on: 11:03:03, 14-11-2007 »

I'd agree with everything above. One of the very remarkable things about this messageboard is that amongst its contributors are an unusually large number of extremely knowledgeable and enthusiastic people. Some are musicians themselves, plenty are not. But they all are keen to share their musical experiences, which of course differ from one's own a lot of the time. Quite a few times I've been moved to explore unknown, or long-forgotten musical territory by postings here; or to read, or to BUY!  Sad ...and in all cases I'm not sure I would have done so had it not been for a 'trust' that's built up by regular online communication here.
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« Reply #9 on: 11:05:44, 14-11-2007 »

In at least some of those cases, there's are very particular personal stamp on the music, isn't there? Delius's chromaticism can be something of an acquired taste: some of his works give me something akin to aural seasickness, though there are others where this doesn't happen at all. I've suggested before that what music communicates beyond its sound alone may create these barriers: hints of psychological components, maybe. That dark rather yearning side of Brahms, for example: if it is even a partial expression of his personality and the particular problems and disappointments associated with his private life, then I can understand why some find it unsettling. Perhaps the fact that much of RVW's music is based on the modal tonalities of the folk tradition rather than the stricter classical rules creates problems for some, though it seems recently that the imperialist establishment overtones of Elgar are equally as alienating for many of the contributing posters on the boards.

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« Reply #10 on: 11:19:16, 14-11-2007 »

Perhaps there'll be a 'Road to Damascus' moment one day. 

For me it's often a case of coming across the right piece at the right moment and then everything falls into place,

Very much my own experience - I was for years baffled by Sibelius (although with a sense that there was something extremely important here waiting to be unlocked) until a chance hearing of the Fifth Symphony on R3 shifted the blocks; a sort of musical paradigm shift, if you like, with the sense that something must have gone in before and was waiting for the right moment. 

There's a comment that Vaughan Williams made about hearing music for the first time and feeling a certainty that one had heard it before - hearing his first folk song, for example, or Act 1 of Die Walkure.  There is a sense here of something very deep being churned up, which may offer a clue to how we appreciate music and how music elicits different responses.
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Donna Elvira
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« Reply #11 on: 11:30:42, 14-11-2007 »

I used to struggle terribly with Mahler's 7th symphony but a performance at Leeds Town Hall when I was a student suddenly made it all click.  It was a great moment!
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« Reply #12 on: 12:46:01, 14-11-2007 »

Hi Donna,
No, as others have said, it's perfectly normal to have a mental block - I too, have an aversion to Benjamin Britten.  I find his music incomprehensible...I used have the same problem with Shostakovitch and Mahler although my wife is gradually correcting this!
I still can't really get Debussy either - the piano music is ok but the orchestral stuff leaves me cold. 

I've never had a problem with Brahms and Bruckner though.
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« Reply #13 on: 12:57:05, 14-11-2007 »

I tend to have blocks over particular works rather than composers' entire output.

These include Sibelius' Finlandia, Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italien and Ravel's Bolero.

In all three of these cases, I very much enjoy other works by these composers.

Ian.
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« Reply #14 on: 13:17:36, 14-11-2007 »

My own Moment with Bruckner (which I've related once or twice here and at TOP) came after many years of intermittent trying with recordings of all kinds, scores, concerts, blah blah. Then one lazy sunny Sunday morning in Brisbane I got up, turned on the radio and went back to bed to wake up slowly with musical accompaniment. Bruckner 9 was on and I closed my eyes for another listen. By the time it finished it was all clear to me after nearly an hour and a half of drifting between full and semi-consciousness. I'd been listening too hard, you see. Not seeing the forest for the little bits of bark and interesting veins in the leaves. Had to pull back the focus a bit.

Don't know if you can make things like that happen. But I think it is sometimes worth trying out the possibility that maybe one might have been listening too closely.
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