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Morticia
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« on: 12:18:41, 16-12-2007 »

I don`t expect this to be a long running thread  but .... Ian Burnside played one movement from Cantus Arcticus (shame he couldn`t have played the whole thing) and his guest indicated that he felt it `sentimental`. Not the first word that would spring to my mind when attempting to describe this piece. Or did I misinterpret what the guest (who was he?) was saying?
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« Reply #1 on: 12:28:10, 16-12-2007 »

Mort, there's no guest credited in Radio Times or the R3 Schedule pages, so I can't answer that for you.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:36:01, 16-12-2007 »

Ron. I noticed there was no guest listed, although that`s not particularly important. It was his interpretation that I am curious about. Does anyone else feel there is sentimentality about `Cantus Arcticus` ?
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« Reply #3 on: 12:37:14, 16-12-2007 »

How would you describe it, Mort? (for those of us who didn't hear it and basically have no idea about Rautavaara).
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« Reply #4 on: 12:44:55, 16-12-2007 »

With a movement called "Melancholy" one does wonder what he's got to be melancholy about except for sentiments.

Also, the 3rd mvt is called "Swans Migrating" -- and if they're migrating off to the distance, that might engender certain sentiments of the wistful variety.
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« Reply #5 on: 13:04:23, 16-12-2007 »

Now spinning at Castle Dough, the 1994 Catalyst recording of said piece. From the notes, a quotation from Kalevi Aho about the composer: "....a complex and contradictory figure whose works cannot be neatly categorized in stylistic terms........"(began as a neo-traditionalist, moved into) " ..an extreme constructivist and avant-garde phase.." (he has now adopted) " a sort of post-modern musical language in which modern and traditional elements of varying degrees of freedom are combined with each other."

Cantus Arcticus uses prerecorded sounds of bird-calls as an overlay to an orchestral language which is modal and triadic although more advanced, say, than RVW with a dash of Bartok and Panufnik mixed in. In some ways it sounds like a sound-track to a movie. As for the "Melancholy" of the second movement, Rautavaara's a Finn - it goes with the territory, doesn't it? The whole piece has a moody characteristic: it doesn't attempt to be abstract.
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« Reply #6 on: 13:20:40, 16-12-2007 »

With a movement called "Melancholy" one does wonder what he's got to be melancholy about

As Mr Dough's already said... melancholia is an intrinsic part of the "northern" character... Swedes, Balts, and Northern Russians are prone to it too.  Perhaps six months of winter has something to do with it?   I was up in Murmansk (Russian Arctic Circle) exactly twelve months ago, on a trip, and there was only 30 minutes of hazy daylight per day...  you are entombed in miserable darkness (made worse in Murmansk by non-stop drizzling rain) for the entire time.  Although it might sound romantic, the reality is rather like being on board a nuclear submarine that never surfaces for weeks.. claustrophobic, suffocating, and desperately miserable.  Children under 7 years old have to have sun-ray lamp treatment every day at school, to prevent them getting rickets.  We didn't even see the aurora borealis, although Murmansk is supposed to be a prime spot for them when conditions are favourable.  The alleged high suicide rate for these parts of the world is said to be considerably exaggerated, but I can easily imagine how the darkness could heighten any susceptibility to depression that was already present.   Of course, there's the "Midnight Sun" during the summer - but that's hardly compensation for the winter darkness in my book Sad
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« Reply #7 on: 13:51:41, 16-12-2007 »

With a movement called "Melancholy" one does wonder what he's got to be melancholy about
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the addendum "besides sentiments" is crucial to understanding my comment.

Cantus Arcticus is now spinning here as well, and I'd say sentimental is a very apt description indeed. (and it's not a condemnatory one by any means)
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« Reply #8 on: 13:53:33, 16-12-2007 »

Continuing with this disc - part of my haul from Gramex back in August, but not played until prompted by Mort's thread - there's a string quartet (No.4) as well as a symphony (No. 5) included, which reminds me that there are plenty more symphonic cycles from the north to discover; he's written eight so far, I think.
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« Reply #9 on: 14:08:10, 16-12-2007 »

CA has ended now, and I must admit that that facty makes me not unhappy.

The 4th Quartet sounds very promising so far. Not quite so orchestral, somehow.
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« Reply #10 on: 14:09:41, 16-12-2007 »

I heard it - I seem to remember hearing that the guest was Simon Keenlyside...

I was thinking, as I heard the piece, that it was very sentimental and quite twee as well. Undoubtedly there were some beautiful sounds, but I found the 'birdsong with melancholy orchestral accompaniment' idea rather embarrassing, I'm afraid. And I say that as no stranger to the delights of curlew calls, as well as melancholy orchestral music!!
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« Reply #11 on: 14:28:57, 16-12-2007 »


The 4th Quartet sounds very promising so far. Not quite so orchestral, somehow.

That figures, Dishy, though I think that the 5th symphony may even be more up your street....

Being on the coast, we hear curlews all the time, too, Stuart. I'd guess that CA could well be one of the steeping stones that might help those who are still basically 'tonally retentive' but are interested in dabbling their toes in something more advanced - not everybody is willing to take a flying dive into deeper waters, after all. It's all too easy to forget that there may be some on this board, let alone elsewhere, for whom that 'sentimentality' is a positive rather than a negative aspect of the piece.
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« Reply #12 on: 15:01:55, 16-12-2007 »

That figures, Dishy, though I think that the 5th symphony may even be more up your street....
That's a shame, as my street is impassable due to snowdrifts. However, from a distance I'd say you're right -- the 5th Symphony is more palatable than Cantus Arcticus. But it's no comparison to heaps of melancholy nordic orchestra music that I prefer. (including a recent very satisfying spin of Allan Pettersson's 15th and 9th Symphonies, at last!)

And here's a lovely poem with which members are shirley familiar (thanks to Hank W. Longfellow):

THE TIDE rises, the tide falls,
The twilight darkens, the curlew calls;
Along the sea-sands damp and brown
The traveller hastens toward the town,
And the tide rises, the tide falls.

Darkness settles on roofs and walls,
But the sea, the sea in the darkness calls;
The little waves, with their soft, white hands,
Efface the footprints in the sands,
And the tide rises, the tide falls.

The morning breaks; the steeds in their stalls
Stamp and neigh, as the hostler calls;
The day returns, but nevermore
Returns the traveller to the shore,
And the tide rises, the tide falls.
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« Reply #13 on: 15:09:18, 16-12-2007 »

the addendum "besides sentiments" is crucial to understanding my comment.

Fair point, but I'm not talking about sentiments - I'm talking about living in 23.5 hours of total darkness per day, which amounts to sensory deprivation of a kind Sad
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« Reply #14 on: 15:42:26, 16-12-2007 »

the addendum "besides sentiments" is crucial to understanding my comment.

Fair point, but I'm not talking about sentiments - I'm talking about living in 23.5 hours of total darkness per day, which amounts to sensory deprivation of a kind Sad
So we were talking about different things,

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