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Author Topic: Aled Jones and the creeping cult of ego in radio  (Read 600 times)
John W
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« on: 14:51:49, 02-03-2008 »

is infecting Radio 3 too....

says Paul Donovan
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« Reply #1 on: 19:38:33, 02-03-2008 »

John, you haven't commented on this yourself as someone who is intelligently exploring the repertoire.
I think we'd generally agree that you're some way ahead of the `pitch radios 2 and 3 are making in these shows, and they need to think that through sometime. Elsewhere Tommy Pearson on his blog recalls not liking having to link to Choral Evensong, which implies a sense of ownership of the content via doing its continuity. The core of all this maybe is that presenters are in a grey area of being adopted musicians
and being self -appointed imlpicit arbiters of taste with a quasi-avuncular`hin of approval  here, a disparagement there. This is about projected psychology rather than the matter in hand-the missing element is structure rather than what is euphemistically called 'sequence',which is structured by micro or`macro 'playlist'. I was onced interviewed by a presenter who had a Pierre Boulez  precision in cueing faders and contributors-that's a skill too many of them lack these days imho.
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« Reply #2 on: 20:12:06, 02-03-2008 »

Thanks mf,

Well in my early days of listening to Radio 3 I was never familiar with the names of the announcer/presenters and indeed I only really got to know names when I began reading/posting at R3MB about 4/5 years ago.

With Radio 2 it was a bit different, I always knew I was listening to Humph, Alan Dell, Alan Keith, Richard Baker, Sheridan Morley, Brian Matthew but their shows had titles Best of Jazz, Dance Band Days, Your 100 Best tunes, Melodies For You, Sounds of the Sixties and I always liked to refer to the SHOW.

The R2 schedule is personality-oriented now and I feel the schedule/shows have lost much of their identity, look at
today on R2 according to the webpage

07:00  Aled Jones
09:05  Steve Wright's Sunday Love Songs
11:00  Fiona Bruce
13:00  Elaine Paige on Sunday
14:30  Pick of the Pops
16:30  Johnnie Walker
18:30  Alan Titchmarsh
20:30  Sunday Half Hour
21:00  Russell Davies
22:00  Malcolm Laycock
23:00  The David Jacobs Collection
00:00  Janice Long
03:00  Alex Lester

and presumably that's how Radio Times list the shows?

Just thinking, Russell Davies was probably the first to just have his name, I can't remember a name for his show (mainly featuring jazz and broadway songwriters).

Looking at the R3 week schedule webpage there's not many names, Iain Burnside and Mary Ann Kennedy, but only Martin Handley's and Sara's names are made more prominent on the day schedules
e.g.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/schedule/2008/03/02/day/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/schedule/2008/03/03/day/
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« Reply #3 on: 20:18:14, 02-03-2008 »

Anybody else feel that the use of Igor as an avatar sits rather uneasily with such a knowledge of (and thus presumably interest in) R2 and CFM?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: 20:34:34, 02-03-2008 »

Surely one doesn't exclude the other?  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 20:40:25, 02-03-2008 »

Well, if the broadcasters would take cogniscence of someone who likes bits of all three then we'd be getting somewhere. Not to mention an influence of Igor the laconic as abundant as  in you 3 gents' contributions.
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« Reply #6 on: 20:41:15, 02-03-2008 »

Ron,

Clearly you are unaware of how often complete works of Igor's are featured in the evening schedule at CFM

Wednesday 5th March includes

Stravinsky: Violin Concerto in D major  
Thomas Zehetmair Violin/Dir
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« Reply #7 on: 21:11:00, 02-03-2008 »

(Do you all promise to keep it quiet if I let slip that I've never actually got into Stravinsky? Despite years of trying? Mind you I don't mind that violin concerto or Renard or Svadebka. And the Pastorale is lovely. And I can handle the Symphony of Psalms once in a while. But even the best of the other things are somehow never as good as I remember them... is it serious, Doctor?)  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: 21:15:20, 02-03-2008 »

What, not even THE RAKE'S PROGRESS or OEDIPUS REX, Ollie?  My word, I won't take being teased about Bruckner so easily in future Wink
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« Reply #9 on: 21:22:47, 02-03-2008 »

(Neo-classicism is a real turn-off for me I'm afraid. I used to like Oedipus Rex but went completely off it and never really managed to get into the Rake. They certainly fall into the category of pieces I used to remember as being more enjoyable than they actually were. As if I had been trying to convince myself of something...

Anyway we're well off-topic I'm afraid. Unless someone's changed the topic to Ollie's Stravinskyphobia.)
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« Reply #10 on: 21:28:20, 02-03-2008 »

One of my early performing experiences was doing the Stravinsky Mass, which, with a madrigal touch to the choral stuff and deft rather than sqwawky wind playing (we gave it our best shot) is a key to the
unity of the Igor schtick methinks. Just the thing for 'Sunday Half-Hour'.
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« Reply #11 on: 11:16:13, 03-03-2008 »


Looking at the R3 week schedule webpage there's not many names, Iain Burnside and Mary Ann Kennedy, but only Martin Handley's and Sara's names are made more prominent on the day schedules
e.g.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/schedule/2008/03/02/day/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/schedule/2008/03/03/day/

and, on the R3 homepage today the schedule mentions NO names

Monday 03.03.08 11:08
07:00 Breakfast
10:00 Classical Collection
12:00 Composer of the Week
13:00 Afternoon on 3
17:00 In Tune
19:00 Performance on 3
20:45 Composer of the Week
21:45 Night Waves
22:30 Artist Focus
23:00 The Essay
23:15 Awards for World Music
01:00 Through the Night


So the image of R3 is preserved
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« Reply #12 on: 20:28:06, 30-03-2008 »

The cult of ego is inevitable for Radio 2, being as it is trying to compete with a myriad Magic FMs, Heart FMs etc. where the output is largely the same so only the presenter becomes a strong differential.  A niche station like Radio 3 (and Radio 4 while we're here) requires this less.  Classic FM uses "big name" presenters to make Classical Music more radio-friendly, hence the Bates, Mellors and Gambaccinis of this world, none of whom I'd particularly rate as Classical aficionados.
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« Reply #13 on: 23:01:28, 06-04-2008 »

I spoke too soon it seems:  Miranda Krestovnikoff is R3's first crossover presenter.  Although it would probably be unfair to criticise: she seems like an educated sort, so I doubt that it's a cosmetic exercise.
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« Reply #14 on: 16:30:54, 07-04-2008 »

She does at least seem to have a genuine interest in classical music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Krestovnikoff, her own website also mentions directing a chamber choir for a number of yeras.  She did seem surprisingly hesitant at times though, despite her previous TV experience.
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