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ernani
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« on: 17:12:16, 24-04-2007 »
I thought it might be interesting to start a thread on the subject of those potentially great recordings that for whatever reason never got made or have been lost. For example, Jussi Bjorling and Maria Callas only sang together twice, both times in Il Trovatore at the Chicago Opera in the mid 1950s. But although a live recording was apparently made, it was inadvertently destroyed - it always makes me wince to think of it! The other 'never was' recording is a Klemperer Tristan . He certainly conducted it, but I know of no surviving recordings of what was sure to have been a riveting interpretation.

Any others?

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pim_derks
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« Reply #1 on: 17:45:26, 24-04-2007 »
Many thanks for opening this discussion, ernani. It's a very interesting subject.

To name a few great recording that never were:

Der Junge Lord conducted by Ferenc Fricsay.

The Franck Symphony conducted by Eduard van Beinum (Concertgebouw Orchestra!).

Liszt's Faust Symphony conducted by Rene Leibowitz.

The complete cycle of Nielsen's Symphonies conducted by Jean Martinon. We only have number 4 now. Sad

The Poem of Ecstasy conducted by Igor Markevitch.

The Rite of Spring conducted by Fritz Reiner.

Walton's First Symphony conducted by George Szell.

Rubbra's Ninth Symphony conducted by John Barbirolli.

I think I'm not so happy with this subject. Sad
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« Reply #2 on: 18:47:38, 24-04-2007 »
Webern conducted by Webern.
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« Reply #3 on: 23:08:45, 24-04-2007 »
Tony
Nice! How about Debussy conducted by Debussy? (DID he ever conduct?)
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« Reply #4 on: 23:26:55, 24-04-2007 »
Reputedly in the can, though never issued: Solti Walton 1 with the Chicago. He did a live RVW 4 with the LPO which really should have lead to a recording, and it's a huge pity that he never recorded any Britten opera; his live MND and Billy Budd had power, dynamics and colour quite unlike any other performances I've ever heard. And what if Britten had gone to Bayreuth to conduct? Pears as Mime, to add to his 1950s ROH David?
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« Reply #5 on: 11:51:30, 25-04-2007 »
I often muse on this subject and I divide them into two categories :

1. Recordings that were on the cards but never came about

2. Recordings that were never seriously planned but should have been.

Of course this excludes sheer fantasy,like Mozart playing his concertos,thoughthe Rdaio Tiomes once announced Mozart's Concerto K595 'Curzon /ECO/ The Composer'. As 'Paul Calf 'would splutter,'anyone got a blank tape?'

1. Elgar Violin Concerto,Kreisler/LPO / Elgar.
All the late Brahms pieces,opp.76 and 116-9,by Schnabel or Curzon (Curzon recorded a few inthe 'forties but rejected them)'.
Britten conducting 'Death in Venice'.
Elgar conducting 'Introduction and Allegro for Strings'  and a complete 'Gerontius'.


2. Beecham conducting 'Petrouchka' ( a work he admired very much_)
Vaughan Williams conducting 'A London Symphony'or the Symphony in D.
Constant Lambert conducting Liszt's 'Faust  ' Symphony'.This was broadcast but the recording was either not made or not preserved.
Electrical recordings by Busoni,had he lived aftere 1924 and been persuaded. 

There are heaps more.I may return to this if there is interest.



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« Reply #6 on: 11:55:19, 25-04-2007 »
1. Tippett's 'Ritual Dances' Philharmonia/Karajan. Proposed but never made.

2. 'The Rape of Lucretia'with Ferrier and Ansermet (the 'first' cast at the premiere).#

'The Dream of Gerontius' recorded c. 1952 with Peter Pears, Kathleen Ferrier,Bruce Boyce and the LPO conducted by Sir Adrian Boult.

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« Reply #7 on: 12:24:15, 25-04-2007 »
Karajan conducting Elgar.

Ian.
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« Reply #8 on: 12:30:15, 25-04-2007 »
Somewhere in the Beeb archives should be a Tippett Ritual Dances conducted by Celibidache (circa 1981), Smittims. Somewhere in one of my many boxes in storage should be a cassette copy of said event; very very special.
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« Reply #9 on: 13:45:29, 25-04-2007 »
Quote from: martle on 23:08:45, 24-04-2007
Tony
Nice! How about Debussy conducted by Debussy? (DID he ever conduct?)

Yes, Martle, he actually did. For example: Debussy conducted in the Hague on the 20th of February, 1914 and a day later he conducted the Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam (Scottish March, The Afternoon of a Faun, and two Nocturnes). Debussy was already very ill in those years. His way of conducting was very gentle according to the Dutch composer and music critic Matthijs Vermeulen. To weeks later, Arnold Schoenberg conducted the orchestra. Alban Berg and Anton Webern were also in Amsterdam at that time. Those were the days! 

If found these facts in the 840 page biography of Vermeulen written by his son-in-law Ton Braas. A wonderful collection of facts about Dutch and French musical life in the first half of the twentieth century.
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« Reply #10 on: 14:03:45, 25-04-2007 »
Broadcast c1965 on Radio 3

Ives - Tone Roads no 3, Over the pavements + The unanswered question.

Bruno Maderna + Orchestra of South West German Radio
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« Reply #11 on: 15:32:57, 25-04-2007 »
Quote from: autoharp on 14:03:45, 25-04-2007
Broadcast c1965 on Radio 3

Ives - Tone Roads no 3, Over the pavements + The unanswered question.

Bruno Maderna + Orchestra of South West German Radio

Please give it a try over here, autoharp:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/radio3requests/pip/l2cs7/

A little bit of Ives surely would shake up this programme! Grin
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« Reply #12 on: 17:43:10, 25-04-2007 »
It wasn't in the BBC archive/library when I was able to look (for some reason which I can't remember) some 25 or so years ago. However Ogdon's 1960s broadcast of Szymanowski's Metopes and 3rd sonata was . . .
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« Reply #13 on: 17:08:55, 21-05-2007 »
I would like to add that there actually are many wonderful recordings around but they are not available on disc. Take the West German Radio, for instance. Every week the listener gets the chance to hear the most wonderful performances from the WDR archives, but most of the time I can't find them on CD. Last Thursday I heard Walton's First Symphony on the radio, played by the WDR Symphony Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras. WHAT A PERFORMANCE!!! But oh, what a pity that it isn't available on CD... Sad
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« Reply #14 on: 17:17:53, 21-05-2007 »
Quote from: pim_derks on 17:08:55, 21-05-2007
Last Thursday I heard Walton's First Symphony on the radio, played by the WDR Symphony Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras. WHAT A PERFORMANCE!!! But oh, what a pity that it isn't available on CD... Sad
... although Mackerras's excellent (IIRC) performance with the LSO (? - I think!) is on an EMI Classics for Pleasure, coupled with the Second Symphony, which is the recording through which I got to know both those works about 13 years ago. Wink
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