John W
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« Reply #15 on: 10:33:09, 31-05-2007 » |
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OK, I've traced where I got the photo, it's from the Newport Jazz Festival 2004, featuring brass from the The Jazz Messengers, presumably a descendant of the Art Blakey (d.1990) band. The band in 2004 was Cedar Walton (piano), Roy Hargrove (tr), Steve Turre (tb), Donald Harrison(saxes), Bobby Watson (saxes), Peter Washington (string bass), Lewis Nash (dr). The full size photo is here and features trumpet, trombone and 2 tenor saxes. left to right Roy Hargrove-Steve Turre-Bobby Watson-Donald Harrison
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burning dog
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« Reply #16 on: 11:15:07, 31-05-2007 » |
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Thanks John
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« Reply #17 on: 11:25:55, 31-05-2007 » |
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We have interesting events in Ireland. Dublin has vibrant Jazz community musicians and even here there are some. This is a Jazz cellar here. We have different kind of jazz and even youth jazz. There is a festival in October here. I am picking up some interest in Jazz very gradually because I am too busy. This board is jazz less active and people that love jazz may come later on board.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #18 on: 11:47:37, 31-05-2007 » |
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We have interesting events in Ireland. Dublin has vibrant Jazz community musicians
... although previously you've said that listening to jazz improvisation is like watching someone brush their teeth (maybe with a "vibrant" electric toothbrush?).
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King Kennytone
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« Reply #19 on: 12:33:19, 31-05-2007 » |
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PRODUCTPLACEMENT?
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« Reply #20 on: 12:38:25, 31-05-2007 » |
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I say a lot of things that I should rethink. Some jazz improvisations I don't like. However, after years and years of trying prodded by my students I begin to understand. Also I am the best at changing my mind Richard. I don't understand many things and I am trying very hard. At least I can have some points for trying. Can I have some (just few) points for trying? I was thinking that there are such a cross influences in music. Classical musicians influence jazz musicians and other way around. Also folk (traditional) musicians are influenced by classical music (which I find strange). etc
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Lord Byron
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« Reply #21 on: 12:52:25, 31-05-2007 » |
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I find the folk talking on radio 3 about jazz know more about jazz than online people.
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burning dog
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« Reply #22 on: 13:48:38, 01-06-2007 » |
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Jazz is like cleaning your teeth in the dark innit?
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #23 on: 16:05:10, 01-06-2007 » |
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That is right, Burning dog. Some people cann't understand Bach and get to him when they are 100 years old. With me it is Jazz. I am beginning to get it (I am not 100 years old). My students efforts and my williness to listen are starting to pay off.
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #25 on: 20:16:26, 01-06-2007 » |
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John, It was so funny. I did not expect it. I got into the concerto and thought who ever is playing it doing it very well. And then all the sudden I heard something else. I loved it. I never thought I would say that. May be even a year ago I would be disgusted Amazing what a year can do to you.
Thank you very much for posting. I even subscribed to Naxos (for free now, but I will change later).
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marbleflugel
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« Reply #26 on: 02:51:04, 02-06-2007 » |
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he has a mission to secure the mainstream so that the progressive can riff from it imho.
Don't know where you get that idea from, mf. As far as I can see he has a mission to secure the mainstream and sideline the progressive into nonexistence. Richard, I agree that what Marsalis is doing teeters on the brink of the sanctimonious and moribund, but my point-although I don't agree with Marsalis' method- and I think Marsalis',is a politico-cultural one more than a musical one. I think what he's seeking to do is to represent a base line canon at the 'highest level'-building the Lincoln Center annex for jazz-as a black cultural statement. If you look at what US recording culture has tried to do by way of diluting jazz, for example, the return to something elementally uncomprimising could make sense from that point of view. You, King Kennytone and I might feel that someone like Albert Ayler did this with more musical feeling, but I'd suggest that where the common denominators of a culture can be swept away by embourgeoisment/ real estate/urban renewal/ media sanitisation, some reified sense of a cannon, where in black culture there can be very little, can be a firestarter. Similarly, 'StoryCorps' have been collecting black oral history around U.S. cities lately , which over here would nowadays seem OTT as the black community is culturally established more?
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'...A celebrity is someone who didn't get the attention they needed as an adult'
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #27 on: 09:23:37, 02-06-2007 » |
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he has a mission to secure the mainstream so that the progressive can riff from it imho.
Don't know where you get that idea from, mf. As far as I can see he has a mission to secure the mainstream and sideline the progressive into nonexistence. In other words, Marsalis is rather like a lot of classical musicians? Richard, I agree that what Marsalis is doing teeters on the brink of the sanctimonious and moribund, but my point-although I don't agree with Marsalis' method- and I think Marsalis',is a politico-cultural one more than a musical one. I think what he's seeking to do is to represent a base line canon at the 'highest level'-building the Lincoln Center annex for jazz-as a black cultural statement. Is there any evidence he is succeeding in doing this, though? Do his Lincoln Center concerts bring in large black audiences, who view them in such a manner?
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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marbleflugel
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« Reply #28 on: 10:43:30, 02-06-2007 » |
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Good point Ian! I don't know, but one of my sources is npr's wbgo which has black presenters (Monifa Brown is apt to go into a bit of Langston Hughes now and again) and the funding set up suggests that audience demographics would be available. There's also a joined-up programme of workshops and outreach according to on-air trails. I'm inclined to look into this.
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'...A celebrity is someone who didn't get the attention they needed as an adult'
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calum da jazbo
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« Reply #29 on: 11:33:24, 02-06-2007 » |
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wynton marsalis is undoubtedly a major jazz talent, listen to his live recordings in smaller ensembles and he will blow you away. There is an especially fine Herbie Hancock Quartet cd on columbia on which WM's playing is sublime.
his persistent, challenging and successful promotion of jazz as an African American art form is both welcome and will have a lasting potive impact. simply he has put the music in a cultural space where it will continue to be recognised as a major accomplishment. he also takes the music to places it has not been before, even if these are elitist serious music venues.
he is a person with a fluent readiness to express his views in clear terms.
that he is not universally liked or respected is sadly inevitable. but he is american, and uses american means to win his cause. as far as i know he is not a cocaine addict, wife beater or alcoholic; but he may well enjoy the sharp suits and luxury cars that signal success in such a society, as did Miles Davis.
he is not an innovator; but an improver and consolidator and certainly wants to establish a jazz canon. what is the evidence that he seeks to stifle anything? he may call it as he sees it from a perspective of traditional excellence and be unsympathetic to avant garde innovations that wilfully disrespect tradition. but how exactly does he obstruct or stifle it? he is not all that jazz needs, but he is something that it needs! warts and all.
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