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Vashti
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« on: 11:39:19, 22-06-2007 »
I have just discovered Charles Mingus's album "Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" and my life is better now.
His album "Tijuana Moods" is an old love.

I love the sexy low brass arrangements, the dirtiness, its unpredictability (the jolting cuts) and Dionysian abandon; I also appreciate that the soloing is kept to a minimum.   

That said, I am ignorant about other Charles Mingus recordings and jazz in general.
So, I was wondering if anyone could reccomend any other Mingus albums, or anything else like this?
Any thoughts on these albums would also be of interest.

 
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #1 on: 11:57:59, 22-06-2007 »
The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is an incredible piece of work - others I particularly like and would recommend would be Pithecanthropus Erectus, Blues and Roots, Mingus Ah Um, Pre-Bird and Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus.

As far as other things you might like, try John Coltrane's Giant Steps and Ascension, Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz, and Cecil Taylor's Unit Structures.
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« Reply #2 on: 11:59:03, 22-06-2007 »
Can't provide the guidance on Mingus that you're after, but will chip in to agree on Black Saint and Sinner Lady - at least, the first half. Wonderful stuff !
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« Reply #3 on: 15:19:11, 22-06-2007 »
Ian Pace is more or less on the button; would add Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus as the INDISPENSABLE   Mingus album. Plus live stuff - In Paris, Antibes, In Wonderland are all exceptional.

You might find a discussion of Black Saint of interest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F2620065?thread=3135888
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« Reply #4 on: 16:01:15, 22-06-2007 »
May I put in another plug for the work of Henry Threadgill, who regularly has recorded with a band that includes two tubas? I especially recommend the albums Too much Sugar for a Dime and Easily Slip into Another World. Also Song out of my Trees, though that's a very different animal indeed.

These are different beasts than Mingus, but I brung it up 'cause it's also music to listen to for interesting texture and cross-cutting, and something other than brilliant solos.
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« Reply #5 on: 10:51:47, 25-06-2007 »
On this page (http://www.cur1350.co.uk/index.php?action=viewweek&time=1182380400&module=schedulemodule&src=%40random4512b1fa8373a), scroll down to Wed, June 20 and click on 'One Step Beyond' for a 2-hour overview of Mingus' work, including excerpts from Pithencanthropus Erectus, Ah Um, Tijuana Moods, Black Saint, Mingus x 5, At Antibes, etc.

Of course, you might just preffer to buy any Mingus album you can get your hands on and wallow in the sheer ecstasy of it all

Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus!
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« Reply #6 on: 00:25:26, 27-06-2007 »
If people like Mingus they may well like Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath, especially the albums with the larger ensembles.

http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/brotherhood.html
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