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« on: 15:41:24, 31-12-2007 » |
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So Stan finally gets honoured.
I'm glad that the old fella gets this recognition. I read a jazz history book recently, can't remember the name of it, and was somewhat bemused to see Stan got no mention depite its covering the British scene a few decades ago. For whatever reason, it seems he never got a high or celebrated profile.
Not sure I agree though with this nonsense of Empire honours and what it all rests on, reminding me of a comment film maker Akira Kurosawa once made when he was being honoured at one of the occasions they do that. "Self congratulatory nonsense" he said, if I recall it correctly. Still, I'm glad to see Stan get recognised as an important part of British jazz.
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Antheil
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« Reply #1 on: 16:05:07, 31-12-2007 » |
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I may be wrong greenfox, but wasn't there a petiton to get Stan Tracey honoured?
I think the fact that a petition was in existence proves a lot of people thought he was worthy of an honour. Perhaps the Honours system should rely on the vote of the people?
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« Reply #2 on: 18:20:29, 31-12-2007 » |
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I may be wrong greenfox, but wasn't there a petiton to get Stan Tracey honoured?
Yes, on the official No 10 Downing Street website I believe ( not instigated by anyone at No 10 I hasten to add, I think the plebs can place their own petitions there ) I even "signed" it, not that I felt that strongly but it hardly took much effort and was worth trying to get some recognition. Maybe BBC4 will repeat the documentary on Stan Tracey from a few years back ? Or do something with Under Milk Wood ? |
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« Reply #3 on: 18:32:46, 31-12-2007 » |
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Yeah there was indeed a petition, but wasn't it in the nature of addressing the problem, if you see what I mean? I thought I'd returned the book to the library but actually I've still got it: 'Jazz', by Mervyn Cooke. Most of the big names are there, and the Brit scene is covered, but there's no mention of Stan.
Incidentally what about Under Milk Wood? - I don't actually know what kind of impact it made, and what kind of repuation it made.
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« Reply #4 on: 18:57:43, 31-12-2007 » |
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I think Under Milk Wood made quite an impact ( in the relative sense that any British jazz album could make an impact ) One of those albums like Joe Harriot's Indo - Jazz stuff that appealed to eclectic tastes outside the strictly jazz crowd without attracting any accusations of selling out. Stan Tracey has as high a profile as any British jazz player of his period I think, who did get a mention in the Mervyn Cooke book ?
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« Reply #5 on: 19:15:05, 31-12-2007 » |
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Timeline for the 60s in the back of the book:
Ayler, Coleman, Trane, Dolphy, Evans, Getz, Thad Jones, Roland Kirk, Lee Morgan, Peterson, Rollins, Sun Ra, Cecil Taylor
For the 70s:
Braxton, Don Cherry, Chick Corea, Charlie Haden, Hancock, Jarrett, McLaughlin, Wayne Shorter, Zawinal
And Stan isn't even mentioned in the entire book. Cooke is a Brit, a music academic and teacher.
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« Reply #6 on: 19:28:05, 31-12-2007 » |
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greefoxm believe me, fach bach, you have to listen to the dylan thomas first, then you pick on the rest
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« Reply #7 on: 19:34:26, 31-12-2007 » |
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Maybe Cooke ignored UMW because it was Welsh, eh?  "fach bach"? Egad, Welsh can be suggestive. |
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« Reply #8 on: 20:01:51, 31-12-2007 » |
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Nothing suggestive
Oh fach bach
Oh little one, big one
Bach, Fach, innit?
You are an inncocent abroad
When you have read Dylan Thomas come back to me
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« Reply #9 on: 20:45:10, 31-12-2007 » |
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Green fuse, has no dominion, all that stuff innit? Did it at A level; even went past his stomping ground a few years ago while driving down from Snowdonia to Carmarthen. That any good?
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