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Goodness, there are some posters at TOP who do not like the idea of such a musician being on COTW. Whoever would have predicted that ?
Well, I'm going to enjoy the week. A good start today and an indication of the range of material to be considered.
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« Reply #17 on: 09:03:40, 01-10-2008 » |
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I've heard most of both programmes so far. Excellent. Priestly is a natural, and very interesting. (Must get round to reading his Mingus biography.)
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This will probably earn me a lynching but...I like the Idea of jazz (Platonic or what?), but I don't seem very often to like the Reality. I know this because I usually end up listening to it on Saturday afternoons on Radio 3 while DIYing. Any advice on how to like the Reality of jazz?
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« Reply #19 on: 20:27:31, 01-10-2008 » |
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I had the same problems with jazz like you, JimD.
If you will stay with this board you will like (understand) jazz and other art forms (musical and not musical).
I am listening to today's program of Mingus (Wednesday). I was so worried and frightened earlier today, but listening to today's portion makes me relax and feel much better. I hardly recommend it to you.
I don't like them talking too much, just play music.
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« Reply #20 on: 22:45:13, 01-10-2008 » |
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This will probably earn me a lynching but...I like the Idea of jazz (Platonic or what?), but I don't seem very often to like the Reality. I know this because I usually end up listening to it on Saturday afternoons on Radio 3 while DIYing. Any advice on how to like the Reality of jazz?
Jim, if you haven't already seen it you might like to visit this thread which sort of covered similar territory. http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=3044.0The best advice would be to follow up any snippet you happen to hear which does trigger some positive response in you. Same as any newcomer to "classical" really. |
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« Reply #21 on: 20:59:54, 02-10-2008 » |
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I like todays programme of music by Mingus.
I liked Monday and Wednesday COTW the best.
Today is not bad too. It is a different style of jazz.
May be this programme expresses volatile part of Mingus nature. It can be heard in the music.
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« Reply #22 on: 21:32:36, 02-10-2008 » |
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BobbyZ and trained-pianist
Thank you for the advice. I have been trying to like jazz for 40 years now--and occasionally I do, but not often. I own and enjoy a copy of Miles Davis's 'Kind of Blue', which is a bit embarrassing as Amazon describes it as the sort of CD owned by those who don't like jazz. (Embarrassing to be such a stereotype.) I am not going to give up now. Come Saturday afternoon I'll be there with the radio and the toolkit!
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« Reply #23 on: 21:37:47, 02-10-2008 » |
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I have similar problem, JimD.
I am going slowly. I am trying to build on what I like.
It is a slow process (much the same expending one's knowledge in classical music). At this moment I already like many pieces on COTW programme. Some I cared less for.
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« Reply #24 on: 16:01:28, 03-10-2008 » |
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I've missed most of this week's programmes but I heard a chunk of yesterday's (Black Saint and the Sinner Lady) which made me want to listen to the whole lot. I've already recorded yesterday's off the iPlayer and I'm now listening to/recording Monday's.
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« Reply #25 on: 20:58:13, 03-10-2008 » |
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I have not finished listening to today's programme (Friday), but what I heard so far I liked very much. I don't even understand why I did not like it before. It is not good to be too serious all the time. This music shows you other side of life. It is serious, but in a different way.
I changed my opinion about many things in music since I joined this board.
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« Reply #26 on: 22:04:52, 03-10-2008 » |
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I didn't hear it all, but what I did hear suggests to me that this was one of the best CoTWeeks for some time. Not because Mingus is a 'jazz' composer, but because the combination of Priestly, Donald McC, good reserach and excellently-chosen examples made for a compelling series of broadcasts. The very idea that because Mingus was 'merely' a 'jazz musician' was, IMO, thrown out the window on day 1. A detailed and hugely informative series about a passionate musician with an awful lot to say.
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« Reply #27 on: 16:35:38, 12-10-2008 » |
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Yes, nIce.
I actually only listened to the 1st programme, as I don't know the early (pre Farlow/Norvo) so well, & I have most of the records, & have read Brian Priestley's book about 2 & a half times. (Jaded? that's me).
Since I was a kid I've liked the aura bout Mingus, that he wasn't just a 'jazz musician', not even just a musician, a writer of lyrics & semi-autobiographical discourse. He didn't suffer fools or asshauls gladly either, as accounts of Germany 1964 attest, the way he kicked some tape recorder that was running without his prior permission. He was also acutely aware of Jim Crow & posers who came to his gig mainly to keep up their appearance of trendiness, & was never afraid to speak out about BS.
.Despite the churchiness of some of the 50s & 60s music, he probably didn't practice that at the end, since his ashes were scattered on the Ganges. I know Sue meant well & all that, but was that 'Mingus dynasty' big band tosh really necessary, apart from re-entrenching the 'tradition' & giving gigs to people who had a pretty tenuous connection to the man himself?
I 1st heard 'Black saint' at the impressionable age of 15, of course was blown away, & have continued to be ever after.
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« Reply #28 on: 11:53:30, 15-10-2008 » |
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yep absolutely Ubu; listening to his earliest recorded orchetrations from the LA days, some key themes and sounds are evident - key in the sense of liflong ...
.. i noted over there that Passions of a Man stands as a masterwork of 20th cent art and hold that view more strongly having listened to the whole week...
... an excellent week of programmes, that for me raised the profile of Mingus as an artist of major stature
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