mr improv
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« on: 23:49:32, 14-10-2008 » |
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crikey i just snuck into a gig down the road from me featuring pure bollox polar bear
heck wot mediocrity
i mean they drivel on for eternity but none of them have a thing to say
not an ounce of creative expression
the trip hop drumming kept the kids dancing though yes the kids were actually dancing
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Andy D
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« Reply #1 on: 00:02:02, 15-10-2008 » |
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I like Polar Bear
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harmonyharmony
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« Reply #2 on: 00:12:27, 15-10-2008 » |
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I like Polar Bear I'm sure it likes you too.
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« Reply #3 on: 00:21:04, 15-10-2008 » |
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Didn't you hear their support act at the Braxton/Taylor RFH gig, mr i? I seem to remember it involved a couple of laptops and a balloon ...
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mr improv
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« Reply #4 on: 00:22:27, 15-10-2008 » |
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no way andy d
how is that possible?
what do you like??
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mr improv
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« Reply #5 on: 00:27:40, 15-10-2008 » |
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i didnt hear them at the rfh cos i deliberately sat outside not wanting them to sully my evening
i only went down there this evening cos they were on my doorstep and i got in for free and i thought i'd check them out again
i last saw them at the bath jizz festival sometime ago that was as dire as it gets
i mean they take all these solos but they're saying nothing it's just really obvious stuff a bit of growling some obviuos fairly duff harmonics/false fingering a la early pharao sanders some shrieking
and lots of 'realy clever' stop/start rythms at one point it sounded like spoof king tubby with wareham playing very obvious little saxophone filigrees and 'leafcutter john' giving the horn the king tubby echo effect
drear drear drear
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Andy D
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« Reply #6 on: 00:31:05, 15-10-2008 » |
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oh dear, u mght b rght mr i
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mr improv
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« Reply #7 on: 13:17:30, 15-10-2008 » |
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no way andy d am i right
come on man explain the attraction
i mean it 's all very pleasant [in a totally empty way] i mean one can tap one's foot indeed many of the youngsters in the audience danced throughout because roachford was hitting hell out of his drumkit and keeping it total trip hop throughout so it sells
but the tunes are utterly inane
and there's just no variety of expression i was left wondering why would someone with as little to say as pete wareham get into jazz saxophone half the time it sounded like the saxophone breaks on a springsteen album only hideously lengthened
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supermarket_sweep
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« Reply #8 on: 13:36:57, 15-10-2008 » |
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unlike mr i, I don't have a problem with beats so much - I quite like the nihilistic quality of much of the heavier, murkier forms of modern dance music, drum/drill n bass, etc, anticipated in the brick wall headbang of miles davis' 'rated x' - and I think that their inclusion doesn't necessarily mean the music suffers - but when they're just their to provide a nice foottapping/dancing backdrop to some inane solos, it all adds up to a glutinous generic hodgepodge which pulls bits out of genres and loses the best of both worlds. this is also what i think about the godawful neil cowley trio, and suchlike bands. Having been listening to a lot of miles davis' 70s output recently, the generic boundaries are transcended - by contrast, polar bear etc take from miles example the cross generic fertilisation and think, 'well, we'll just through in a bit of this a bit of that into the melting pot - we're so eclectic - to show that we're not boring old jazzfarts and we're adventurous'. that's not adventurous, that's opportunistic and shows a misunderstanding of what miles was doing, and actually ends up REENFORCING the generic divisions, by having such an awkward mix. something like zorn's naked city is much more knowing in its generic mashup, and is trying to do something different yet again.
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Chas T
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« Reply #9 on: 15:08:36, 15-10-2008 » |
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Sweepster...not trying to respond to yours in an argumentive mode - whatsoever. In a lot of Polar Bear's tunes, I hear much youthful 'fooling around'...'let's have a good time!' approach. I take it at face value and arrive at a sort of realization of exactly 'who', the group is trying to reach. Not the outer fringe of jazz zealotry, that's for sure. There seems to be an inordinate amount of 'popular' music these days being mechanistically based...laptops, what-have-you...Polar is more in that arena than ours. I mean - come on - would any jazzer wear hair like Seb? ??
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« Reply #10 on: 16:46:26, 15-10-2008 » |
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well that's partly the thing, isn't it - they get presented as 'proper jazzers' and get to open for cecil taylor and anthony braxton! It's a bit like one of the 'revered' pops acts - say, radiohead - being opened for by the cheeky girls (lembit opik in tow, no doubt). i remember once that john fordham, on one of those end of year jon3 roundups, was comparing david s. ware (live in the world, a superb 3disc set) with acoustic ladyland (pete wareham's sax). absolutely absurd. just because a bland plays 'loud' and 'wacky' and even a bit 'out' doesn't give them the same kudos or intention as a free jazzer. hence the ridiculous guardian article by marcus o' dair ('death jazz') which sought to equate soil and pimp (who I quite like, but are little more than a goodtime band, with lots of energy - bebop on speed), acoustic ladyland, etc, with weasel walter.
the more 'avant garde' side of things in pete wareham's playing does seem to indicate that Polar BeAR are reaching for something else though, if only briefly so as not to get in the way of balloon 'solos'.
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Ubu-Impudicus
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« Reply #11 on: 18:21:14, 15-10-2008 » |
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Jazz?- hell no. Creative music? they obviously don't know the meaning. Unlike mr.i, for some reason, I'd never heard the Oedipal wrecks before & I gave my attention to this half hour of utterly unengaging easy listening which had been flung somewhere vaguely in the direction of jaz; yes, it was the 1st time I'd heard them, my mind was open as it'll ever be, but I also hope it's the last time I hear them. (having drunk real ale, who would prefer shandy?) The pits the media have sunk into in this country to have bands like this playing opposite the masters, then Acrostic ludoland opposite Brötzmann. I agree with sweep that Zorn can bring off stuff with the use of beats. He may brag about his short attention span, but the way he juxtaposes & holds apparently contradictory elements together, can make even prog rock like 'Electric Masada' sound engaging (to these ears). He's way beyond all that half-baked inanity of pick & mix eclecticism. So now there's death metal & death jazz (I thought jaz was meant to be a force for enriching life), do we also have black metal & black......
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mr improv
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« Reply #12 on: 19:57:54, 15-10-2008 » |
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polar bear seem to be having a corrupting influence too i noted with some scepticism that the gig last night [in a rock venue] was put on by a local musician who plays trumpet with a band called the blessing who are a local band who used to play the music of ornette coleman amongst some quirky self penned ornetteish material and they were a proper jazz drawing on the ornette style
but i notice they've been appearing in london lately very much on the same bill as pure bollox polar bear and this local band the blessing have taken in 2 pop muscusions into their fold and they no longer play jazz instead favouring this rock/fusion type emptiness as modelled by palor bore
never seek out a live audience would be my tip to any artist starting out in the life
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« Reply #13 on: 16:06:08, 16-10-2008 » |
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it was _@-{_- '''@-_' @_'[_ {_@@{--__@'_ or was it /_//??__/? '-p??>_)_@'''_--?'1!"".... shite that's what it isDiscuss Jazz here, be it Bix, Bird or Brubeck, Count Basie or Charles Mingus, whatever you dig man!
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Chas T
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« Reply #14 on: 16:10:44, 13-11-2008 » |
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How's your side-job ('How I Lost 35 Pounds Fast) going these days, Kenny?
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