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« on: 18:47:57, 18-10-2008 » |
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What, me posting a new topic in Jazz?!
It's just that I happened to hear the jazz prog on R3 this afternoon, with an extended interview with Westbrook. I hadn't heard his stuff for years, and remember thinking it was ok in a fairly safe and anodyne way - some interesting ideas, some fine playing, some flair. But then I remembered why I hadn't really followed his work: Kate. Why oh why did he (or she) ever think it was a neato idea to have her gibbering away on most of the stuff with really dire lyrics/ bleeding chunks of poetry/ cosmic ruminations/ navel-gazing conjecture? And with that corncrake voice of hers?
That's a rant, isn't it. Sorry. Any alternative views from the Jass fraternity out there?
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mr improv
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« Reply #1 on: 20:14:59, 18-10-2008 » |
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funny enough i turned it off thinking
jeez this guy#s a a bit flipping tame
as is so much of the music he chose
but kate
she's the one i dig
with all her guttural noises
and her lyrics and her articualtion
i particularly like when she sings german
i seem to remember they did a jazz legend prog on kate and mike westbrook
and it contained loads of wild anarchic rantings
off those albums citadel and london bridge
but dear old cosy bland mike
the music he chose was so cosy and bland
i thought
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mr improv
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« Reply #3 on: 21:04:36, 18-10-2008 » |
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hey up sweepster
ear trip is up there with the westbrooks
nice one lad nice one indeed
cant you get the new one up there?
or will the link go to the new one automatic like?
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supermarket_sweep
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« Reply #4 on: 09:33:45, 19-10-2008 » |
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cant you get the new one up there?
or will the link go to the new one automatic like?
sorry, don't quite get what you mean |
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mr improv
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« Reply #5 on: 10:46:45, 19-10-2008 » |
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yes what did i mean?
what i meant was
they have a link to your lovely on line mag
and i wondered if the link goes to the new one
or the old one with cecil in it?
i'm only on dial up at t he mo
so i dont tend to follow up too many links
the computer is our friend
is sucking our life blood
i am reading a book called
a zero plus ones
the author makes some vast claims
for the wondrousness freedom and autonomy
that the world wibe web willl offer us
but i'm not so sure
maybe she's reviewed her stance?
i must look her up
on the net of course
sadie plant her name
remember this my friends
ada lovelace is the one you need to thank
as you tap away your keys
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« Reply #6 on: 14:59:39, 19-10-2008 » |
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Sadie Plant also wrot(e) a book on the Situationist International, Cobra etc, called The Most Radical Gesture.
She is employed in academe
shortcuts: hit alt+s to submit/post or alt+p to preview
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supermarket_sweep
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« Reply #7 on: 15:30:19, 19-10-2008 » |
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the westbrook sites links to the eartrip blog at the bottom of the interview, so you can get to the current issue through that.
interestingly enough, the westbrook's latest (I think) piece, 'The Waxeywork Show,' deals with concerns about technology, mixing it in with the Dickenseque grotesqueries of Victorian fairground waxworks.
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Ubu-Impudicus
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« Reply #8 on: 17:29:21, 19-10-2008 » |
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I don't mind the Westbrooks (Kate or Mike) at all. I can understand the theatricality of it pissing some people off (all you get on a programme like 'Jazz library' is extracts from a soundtrack), but they've been mixing media, taking the music back on the streets, and politicizing it at least part of the time. 'Marching song' is still arguably as listenable as 'Liberation music' or Steve Lacy's 'Weal & woe.' Phil Minton still works with them, & people like Paul Rutherford & George Khan were involved in the past.
So the vocals, with or without lyrics, whether they're in a language you can understand or not, are part of the overall thing. Kate has a pretty wide range, from the extreme expressionistic stuff to one song aired yesterday which she sang more or less as 'straight' jazz. I can't remember the name & of course auntie has ballsed up the listen again again.
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« Reply #9 on: 20:10:58, 19-10-2008 » |
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yes i'm sorry i was a bit harsh on mike westbrook here yesterday
or was it today
is there a differance???
yep
he's always been alright in my book
he seems sound
not that i#d want to spend a lot of time lisnin to everything he does
least of all the stuff without kate
and least of all the stuff that moreso features
that rather bluesy shiny saxophone player of his
biscoe is it>?
a lot of men have a lot of trouble with expressinionistic wimmin
that's why they prefer the burkha or the kitchen as the place for them to be
or both
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« Reply #10 on: 20:18:28, 19-10-2008 » |
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a lot of men have a lot of trouble with expressinionistic wimmin
linda sharrock jeanne lee maggie nicols |
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Ubu-Impudicus
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« Reply #11 on: 21:00:06, 19-10-2008 » |
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I forgot to mention Keith Rowe & Lou Gare were both in the Westbrook band before it recorded anything. Either it wasn't radical enough for them, or they were too radical for it. Anyway we all know what happened then...
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« Reply #12 on: 10:08:36, 20-10-2008 » |
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I haven't been listening to Jazz Library in the past, so I don't know what the concept is. I would have expected a highlighting of the six or so must have albums of each featured artist. Trying to compress 40 years of a career
by playing snippets from fifteen albums doesn't fit the show's title. Yet, I wonder if it was Mike who made the actual selection. He doesn't gladly dwell on his past merits and prefers to showcase his recent and present work.
The selection sounded to me more like the freelance radio presenter who has to convince his customer, the BBC, that his work will not offend the best part of the audience. (He managed to offend martle though ;o)
With only a small snippet from each album, I don't think this is the best way to convince "newbies" why this album should make it into their collection.
Either way, for me the most interesting part was the background info told by Mike: Such as how the Sextet came about (begs the question where has this recording gone, the publictaion of which was aborted in favour of Celebration?); how Chris Biscoe came in as a guest instrumentalist and became a fixture. Also I hadn't been conscious that Chris Biscoe had been part of Cortège, so I really enjoyed that extract with Chris and Kate.
BTW: The "Art Wolf" piece was by the way not the one from the album, but from a BBC recording/broadcast that included Seb Rochford (dr) and Tim Harries (b).
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