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Author Topic: George Russell's Lydian Concept of Jazz Improvisation  (Read 394 times)
calum da jazbo
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« on: 13:24:17, 19-03-2007 »

Recent listening to Third Stream and other jazz innovations from the late 50s early 60s have inevitably brought George Russell into focus as a composer and arranger. He was close to both Gil Evans and John Lewis in the 50s and arpound the Birth of the Cool and Third Stream scene. He developed his theory of jazz improvisation/composition in what he termed 'the lydian concept'. I am curious if any of our more scholastic colleagues have come across his work, read his book, and had any views they might care to share with us enthusiatic amateurs regarding George Russell.
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« Reply #1 on: 14:55:41, 19-03-2007 »

I have studied the above volume and found it an unrewarding task but I also fall into the category enthusiastic amateurs. The first thing is that he uses his own terminology so you have learn that.

There was a site I found via Google which gave are reasonable explanation but I can't be bothered to look for it again. I found  nothing in the wlkipedia.

OK I will try and explain it as I understand.

I assume you understand modes.

The objective is to provide a 'scales' of graded dissonance which can be used to improvise over different chord types. e.g minor 7th, minor 7b5. major 7th. (including compound intervals e.g. dom 7 9 11 13).

This is achieved by the use the 'Lydian concept' which provides according to Russell is a more authentic way of looking at scales than conventional western harmony which is based on the Ionian mode (the intervals of the major scale). The minor scale being  A  (6th) to A' (6th) Aeolian mode. 

The Lydian concept is based on the Lydian mode which the major scale with the  4th shapened (the intervals of the white notes of the piano played F to F'). Russell wishes emphasise the importance of the tetrachord (b5 interval). This occurs naturally in a dom 7 chord (3rd to the 7th).

So in C you get C, D E. F#  G A B this bifurcates the scale into two tetrachords which Russell thinks is more useful as it creates non-rest. This is connected to his idea of tonal gravity. in which a note always tries to resolve to a note a 5th below. There are degrees of tonal gravity.  But I can't remember exactly how this is meant to work. 

However the fundamental scale is the Lydian chromatic, which is to all intents and purposes the chromatic scale. All other scales are abstractions from this and depending on the intervals and there starting points can be selected as basis for improvisation.

There is chart that goes with the whole thing which allows you to look up a chord type and decide which of the 'scales' you might choose to use.

 
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« Reply #2 on: 22:35:41, 21-03-2007 »

No wonder Coltrane took an hour or so to study the charts before playing on Manhattan (on New York NY).

Thanks LRT; no wonder he picked Bill Evans as his pianist! seems like a whole learning process to get away from the songbook changes. One of the points made in the Penguin Guide (i think) is that Russell tried to build the idea up from actual practices rather than a theoretical top down approach. I guess he influenced musicians practising a whole lot, and this informed their performances & soloing; more of an educational influence.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:29:13, 31-03-2007 »

I'm tryingto work with GR's ideas as a composer, but not purely in jazz. The value in his thinking, which would be
tough for anyone to explain, is that they link developments in jazz and c20th classical harmony. I'd say its on a par
with advanced serialism as a sympathetic aid to harmonic organisation. I think Gunther Schuller ,as a guy with real
clout in these matters-taught M.A.Turnage of course- thinks so too.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:15:46, 31-03-2007 »

might there be an opportunity to hear your work marbelflugel?
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« Reply #5 on: 03:16:37, 01-04-2007 »

I'm flattered that your'e interested Calum ,thanks.   Friend of mine will be doing a piano piece soon and
I had a meeting yesterday afternoon that bodes well for a recorded performance around August. I'll be glad to
keep you posted.
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« Reply #6 on: 11:43:23, 02-04-2007 »

please do!
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