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« Reply #390 on: 22:39:22, 11-08-2008 »

I find this book funny and good distraction from unpleasant thoughts.

Hmm. I find its author engenders all kinds of unpleasant thoughts in my mind, many to do with dousing him with the petrol he's so fond of and... but I can't really say that on a public forum I suppose. Also I dare say he derives a great deal of enjoyment from winding up people like me who are more than a little worried about the future of the human species so there's no point in playing up to it... (bites knuckles until they bleed)
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« Reply #391 on: 22:43:54, 11-08-2008 »

My turn to feel nostalgia.


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« Reply #392 on: 23:02:38, 11-08-2008 »

I have to say that I only read first ten or so pages.
I can understand that some things can annoy people.

The second story is called: Oops: how I dropped the US air  force right in it

There is a description how one flighing in America's military plane F-15E.

He is trying to drop a laser-guided bomb. One can only laugh trhough tears, but may be it is a satire.

The man in the back of the plane lines up the camera on the target and releases the momb, which goes to wherever the cross hairs are pointing.
These cameras have a phenomenal range. The distance they can 'see' is classified but I noticed the range dial wentup to 160 miles. That means the plane which bombed Yorkshire coudl have been over Sussex at the time.

On On my first run, the pilot, Gris @ Maverick@ Grimwald, said he's come in low and fast, jinking wildly as though we were under attack from surface to air missiles.

I'd had two days of training and figured it would be like playing on a PlayStation. And so it is. But can you imagine what it would be like trying to operate a plyStation while inside a tumble dryer? Because that's what it's like trying to operate a remote-control camera in an F-15. More realisticallyhave your children tried to play on their Game Boys while being driven in the back of a car? And that's at 60 mph in a vaguely straight lline.

Grimwald was doing about 600 mph no more that a few hundred feet off the deck, and to make matters worse he was flinging the plane from side to side so that one second the screen showed the faraway Apalachian Mountains and then the next, fields screaming past in a hyperspace fast forward blur.

By the time I'd finished being sick, we were over the sea doing a six'G turn to get back to the starting past point again.

On the third try he managed to release the bomb. He " Frantically swivelled the camera around but could see nothing ressembling a target, so I thought: I know. I will drop the bomb anyway, because by the time it reaches the ground from this hight I'm bound to have the cross hairs in place> "


I think it is a satire. I can not say that I watch his show about cars, but my friend here thinks he is very funny.
Sorry if I offended anybody.  Is he conservative or liberal? I don't know.
Since I am not native and change countries my knowledge is very superficial. So my apologies again.
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« Reply #393 on: 23:07:23, 11-08-2008 »

may be it is a satire
This reminds me of a description I read of Boris Johnson: 'the facade of a blithering buffoon serving to disguise the reality that he is a blithering buffoon'.
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« Reply #394 on: 23:07:35, 11-08-2008 »

Sorry if I offended anybody.  Is he conservative or liberal? I don't know.

You didn't offend anyone. Jeremy Clarkson however I find extremely offensive. Do you need to ask whether someone who plays at dropping laser-guided bombs for fun is a conservative or a liberal?
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« Reply #395 on: 23:25:31, 11-08-2008 »

Do you need to ask whether someone who plays at dropping laser-guided bombs for fun is a conservative or a liberal?
I can't think of any better reasons to drop them off-hand myself...
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« Reply #396 on: 23:49:59, 11-08-2008 »

The Page Turner by David Leavitt.
I saw this only the other day.  Somewhat different, though?

It seems to be, yes. There's no revenge element in the book, for one thing, and the protagonists' gender is not the same.
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« Reply #397 on: 23:20:26, 12-08-2008 »

Are there less impenetrable writers on the topic of metaphorology?
I'm afraid I can't be of any help.

In another vein, I've just finished the third part of Simone de Beauvoir's memoirs, La force des choses.  Quite a rich life: love, travel, politics, work, literature and going out... A complicated love life with multiple partners; interesting travels to Italy, Russia, Brazil and revolutionary Cuba; a chilling account of the Algerian War and the return of de Gaulle; interesting thoughts on writing and being a public figure; funny little anecdotes about their Parisian night life...



The book ends with a reflection on her recently acquired ‘old age’ (she’s 55 at the time). It's totally depressing:

           To convince myself of my old age, I just have to plant myself in front of the mirror.  When I was forty, one day, I thought: “In the deep of that mirror old age is looming; and it’s fatal, it will get me”. And it has.  Frequently I stop, in dumb amazement, before that incredible thing that functions as my face.  I understand Castiglione who smashed all mirrors.  I thought I didn’t care much about my appearance.  Analogously, people who eat until they’re satisfied and who are healthy forget their stomach; as long as I could see my figure without displeasure, I forgot it, it wasn’t problematic.  But that’s all past now. I detest my image: above my eyes, that helmet, underneath them, these bags, my face too fat, and the air of sadness around my mouth that my wrinkles give me.  Maybe people who cross me in the street simply see someone in her fifties, neither good nor bad, just having the age she has.  But I see my past face that’s been infected by a disease of which I will not heal.

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           Notwithstanding I detest the idea of disappearing as much as I used to.  I think with melancholy of all those books read, places visited, knowledge gained and of which nothing will remain.  All that music, all those paintings, all that culture, so many places: suddenly nothing.  It is not honey, no one will feed on it.  At best, when someone will read my book, he or she will think: well, she’s seen a lot!  But that unique ensemble, my experience-for-me, with its order and its chance – the Pekin Opera, the arenas of Huelva, the candomblé of Bahia, the dunes of El-Oued, Wabansia Avenue, the dawns in Provence, Tyrinth, Castro talking to five hundred thousand Cubans, a sky of sulphur above a sea of clouds, the purple heath, the white nights in Leningrad, the liberation bells, the orange moon above Piraeus, a red sun rising in the desert, Torcello, Rome, all these things I have talked about, all the other things I haven’t talked about – nothing of it will resuscitate.  If only it had enriched the earth; if it had generated... what? a hill? a fuse? But no.  Nothing will have taken place.  I see again the hazelnut bushes shaking in the wind and the promises with which I excited my heart when I contemplated that gold mine at my feet: a whole life to live.  All these promises were kept.  Still, turning an incredulous eye on that credulous adolescent, I measure with astonishment to what extent I have been cheated.


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« Reply #398 on: 08:30:59, 13-08-2008 »

Her reflections on the age are typical for people. Most of my friends go through it. May be women feel the loss of their beauty more than men do, but I don't know that for sure.
This is the age when one confronts one's ego. Some people detest the idea of disappearing, most probably find it hard to accept.
Whey do we have all these experiences many of which are so unpleasant (like rejection, dissatisfaction, old age, unfairness). This is the age when we can see our limitations especially clearly. 
This is the age when one begins to understand that we all are finite creatures, but our human race lives on. It doesn't matter if one believes there is a Universal mind that created us or not. Good experiences create positive "energy" in the world. When people are kind to each other and help each other there is fewer traumas. We all know how if one is upset he/she can take the anger on the cat. One can pass good or bad energy to the world. If we are collectively angry and selfish we make the world a different place.

Also when physical beauty is gone one can see the soul of the person better.



I find that old age has many positive aspects. The best thing is that we have self expression and communication with each other. Past generations left us their experiences and we will pass our to the next generation. There is continuity in us as a human race. We have to make this earth is a better place. (at least we have to try).

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« Reply #399 on: 10:05:53, 13-08-2008 »

Her reflections on the age are typical for people. Most of my friends go through it. May be women feel the loss of their beauty more than men do, but I don't know that for sure.
This is the age when one confronts one's ego. Some people detest the idea of disappearing, most probably find it hard to accept.
Whey do we have all these experiences many of which are so unpleasant (like rejection, dissatisfaction, old age, unfairness). This is the age when we can see our limitations especially clearly. 
This is the age when one begins to understand that we all are finite creatures, but our human race lives on. It doesn't matter if one believes there is a Universal mind that created us or not. Good experiences create positive "energy" in the world. When people are kind to each other and help each other there is fewer traumas. We all know how if one is upset he/she can take the anger on the cat. One can pass good or bad energy to the world. If we are collectively angry and selfish we make the world a different place.

Also when physical beauty is gone one can see the soul of the person better.

I find that old age has many positive aspects. The best thing is that we have self expression and communication with each other. Past generations left us their experiences and we will pass our to the next generation. There is continuity in us as a human race. We have to make this earth is a better place. (at least we have to try).

Many thanks for these wise words, trained-pianist. Excellent food for thought in the morning. Smiley

I'm reading a biography of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, written by D.M. Thomas. The name of Simone de Beauvoir is being mentioned on page 446:

"It was intellectual France whose craw became most immediately uncomfortable. Indeed its love affair with the Soviet Union never recovered. Some of its aging leaders had seemed, after Khrushchev's revelations and the suppression of Hungary, to be waiting unconsciously for a coup de grâce: Nina Berberova has mordant pages describing how such committed Communists as Sartre and de Beauvoir, Aragon and Elsa Triolet, had sunk into the gloom of old age, fear of death, and loss and faith. "What shall we do?" Sartre asks his lover. "Where shall we go? Whom shall we be with?" Yet, clinging on, they condemn the repression of Hungary, then visit Moscow determined to meet only, de Beauvoir confessed, with the privileged class. (And Solzhenitsyn magnificently refused to meet them.) The last rites: street demonstrations against de Gaulle by aged comrades who marvel at the thrill of traveling by metro - they have only ever used taxis. But now - even begore Gulag - de Beauvoir mourned, "A whirlwind is carrying me to the grave, and I am trying not to think."

I suppose the faith in communism must have been something nostalgic for these people. They suddenly felt very old when they lost their faith in the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #400 on: 11:51:00, 13-08-2008 »

It must be traumatic for people like de Beauvoir and Sartre to learn more about the Soviet Union. If we are entrenched too much with our ideology it is not good for us. May be this is the message in there.

Is it possible that elitists (intellectuals) in their nature are too far removed from the masses. I don't know really. I had to change from the other direction myself. People like me were completely disillusioned with communism and could not understand intellectuals in the West. Intellectuals in Russia as removed from masses as they are here in the West.  We are shaped by our experiences. Solzhenitsyn never understood or accepted the West. He is  a Russophile. There were many people like him. They believe in exceptional qualities and destiny of Russian people, some even believe that Russia will save the world. I don't know about that, can not formulate my opinion. May be each nation has a part to play in saving the world. 

If one lives in France and he is an intellectual he is shaped by ideas of the country. France gave us a lot in terms of ideas, fight against oppression, against absolute monarchy etc. There is a special historical connection between Russia and France, yet it is hard to understand one another. 
May be intellectuals have bigger ego than simple people; they value their ideas, their values, their something else. May be people in middle ages did not place such a big value on self. Sometimes they did not leave us names of masters that created beautiful Art. To understand that one is close to demise is  hard for all. May be one should not attaché himself to ones achievements, ones thoughts and be more humble and not so sure about who is the most righteous.

I read Berberova some time ago. It was hard for intellectuals of her generation to understand France’s intellectuals too.

Sorry to subject you all to my English and my views. I am not philosopher, often wrong and have some problems with English. But I do like to talk.




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« Reply #401 on: 21:23:16, 13-08-2008 »

Go ahead, tp, we are are always happy to hear from you.

I'm about to give up reading Seven Pillars of Wisdom after getting a third of the way through - I can't take much more.
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« Reply #402 on: 11:10:37, 14-08-2008 »

This is the age when one confronts one's ego.
I like that formulation.

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When physical beauty is gone one can see the soul of the person better.
And that one too. And the photographs are wonderful - thank you.
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« Reply #403 on: 13:20:55, 17-08-2008 »

Just finished this, shortlisted for the Booker last year...



It's very. very good.
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« Reply #404 on: 14:18:06, 17-08-2008 »

I have to write it down somewhere.
This book sounds much better than the one I was proposing.
I lost all interest in that one and tried to explain to my friends what is wrong with it. I think they got it finally.
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