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Author Topic: This week, I have been mostly reading  (Read 11300 times)
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« Reply #435 on: 05:09:21, 24-08-2008 »

JP_Vinyl,

I read introduction and it sounded like Cervantes Don K or may be Coelho.
Then the language became typical Soviet. It is a good language, but heavy and difficult to read, phrases are long. It is a slow reading.



Yes, exactly. The recurring passages about the trains moving across the plains are very evocative, but the main bulk of the text itself is a rather heavy read. Not so much because of complexity or dense description but because the author seems to need to explain many things, especially Yedigei's thoughts, in a great deal of detail. You suggest this was fairly common in books at the time; was this sort of Soviet style an attempt to make literature more accesible?

It's certainly a book worth reading for someone outside that culture, I'd suspect - there are two old Kazakh legends that form an important part of the narrative and are both fascinating to someone who likes to gather myths and legends from around the world. The characters, I think, stand up to psychological scrutiny and while Aitmatov was probably simply making use of an era when criticism of the Stalinist purges was bering allowed, while problems closer to home had to be skirted around, the science fictional elements perhaps are his suggestion that things have not changed so much, and the incident at the graveyard hints at this in a cautious way, while maintaining some degree of plausible deniability by making Tansykbaev a relic of an older era.

While there are things here I like, I suspect the somewhat wooden prose will prevent it from being re-read purely for pleasure.

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« Reply #436 on: 15:23:19, 24-08-2008 »

Is it possible that this book is kind of absolete?
It feels to me like that.

In Soviet times people had a lot of time. There was a saying: Your work is not a wolf and will not run into the forest.
I don't know if you can understand this expression. It means: Don't hurry with your work.
That was the attitude. It is completely different now.
Books have short phrases, few descriptions, simple language and fast moving plot.

It is completely new mentality.

It is good that you read this book because you know now what a Soviet writer was like. Sometimes he could be long and boring, but he was the member of the Union and he got his money even if he did not write one word.
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« Reply #437 on: 18:26:52, 24-08-2008 »

 This afternoon I re-read "Eeyore's Birthday." Is this the most perfect story ever written? 
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« Reply #438 on: 18:30:40, 24-08-2008 »

This afternoon I re-read "Eeyore's Birthday." Is this the most perfect story ever written? 

Wonderful, isn't it? My class never tire of it and neither do I! Possibly only equalled by the 'poohsticks' story when Eeyore arrives floating down the river. There's a great thread on children's books here.
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« Reply #439 on: 18:50:29, 24-08-2008 »

This afternoon I re-read "Eeyore's Birthday." Is this the most perfect story ever written? 

Not sure about that, Ted, but it certainly has as much psychological insight as many.  Eeyore is like pretty well every character in Jane Austen's Emma (which I have just finished): whatever he says you know perfectly well he means something else.

I much enjoyed the burst balloon this board gave me for my birthday.
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« Reply #440 on: 04:36:04, 25-08-2008 »

trained-pianist:

I understand how you might call the Aitmotov book obsolete. I think it has elements that lift it up from pure topicality, but it does not perhaps speak to the ages in the way some other writers' works on a similar theme perhaps have.

I think trends towards long, short and average lengths all co-exist in different segments of English writing today. The book market in India is rather inclined towards the huge, multi-layered epic though, at least partly because of the influence of popular international writers of Indian heritage like Rushdie or Naipaul and partly because we tend to be verbose people. Although lately that's being swept aside in favour of breezy, concise novels that are saturated with popular urban culture and often a more westernised mindset.

Milne's Pooh books were mainstays of my childhood. They are certainly neither too short nor too long.

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« Reply #441 on: 06:19:29, 25-08-2008 »

JP Vinyl,

It is interesting what you write about Indian books. I don't know much about this.

My friends sometimes give me contemporary Russian books that they bring with them from Russia.
I don't know very much, but I think they read mostly detective stories in Russia.
For example, a housewife walks by mistake into some mafia project and how she escapes and fools everybody.
I recently read detective story by Tatyana Ustinova "Close people". They discover the body of a man at a building site. The "boss" of the building company is divorced and has a son that he raises by himself. The story ends with a discovery that his second in comand and ex-wife of the boss were plotting to get his company by framing him. They had an affair, of course.


I don't think they read many multi-layered epic book. As far as I can see people like fast moving detective stories in simple language.

What Indian books do you like to read?
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« Reply #442 on: 21:32:49, 25-08-2008 »

JP - What do you think of A Suitable Boy?  I was so pleased with myself for finishing it in a couple of weeks, and so charmed by it, that I put on the back burner that it may have an unduly rose-tinted view of British culture.  But, then, maybe you have not read it.
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« Reply #443 on: 13:50:04, 28-08-2008 »

Daniel Barenboim: Everything is Connected - The Power of Music.  (Weidenfeld & Nicolson).

I'm relishing this book and was instantly captivated by Barenboim's claim that 'Music has a much larger world of associations at its disposal precisely because of its ambivalent nature; it is both inside and outside the world.'   He also articulates so well, in 200 pages, today's mushrooming tension in the region of the far Mediterranean.

Constant reminders, too, of the work and writing of my theatrical guru, Peter Brook.  'The Empty Space', 'The Shifting Point' (40 years of theatrical exploration: 1946-1987) and 'The Deadly Theatre'.  Invaluable for practical use during a long run in the West End!   And Barenboim also stimulates interest in the potent use of silence, in performance, which reminded me, too, of a sense of outrage when premature applause invades an almost holy space.

Most of all, I appreciate his generosity of spirit when his largesse is free from a world of pedants, ever clutching their narrow prejudices to their bosoms like feather boas!

A gift at £12 99 (hardback) from play.com.
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« Reply #444 on: 13:54:16, 28-08-2008 »

the work and writing of my theatrical guru, Peter Brook.  'The Empty Space', 'The Shifting Point' (40 years of theatrical exploration: 1946-1987) and 'The Deadly Theatre'.  Invaluable for practical use during a long run in the West End! 

Essential reading for all musicians too, in my opinion.
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« Reply #445 on: 14:24:24, 28-08-2008 »

I'm reading a biography of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, written by D.M. Thomas. The name of Simone de Beauvoir is being mentioned on page 446:

"It was intellectual France whose craw became most immediately uncomfortable. Indeed its love affair with the Soviet Union never recovered. Some of its aging leaders had seemed, after Khrushchev's revelations and the suppression of Hungary, to be waiting unconsciously for a coup de grāce: Nina Berberova has mordant pages describing how such committed Communists as Sartre and de Beauvoir, Aragon and Elsa Triolet, had sunk into the gloom of old age, fear of death, and loss and faith. "What shall we do?" Sartre asks his lover. "Where shall we go? Whom shall we be with?" Yet, clinging on, they condemn the repression of Hungary, then visit Moscow determined to meet only, de Beauvoir confessed, with the privileged class. (And Solzhenitsyn magnificently refused to meet them.) The last rites: street demonstrations against de Gaulle by aged comrades who marvel at the thrill of traveling by metro - they have only ever used taxis. But now - even begore Gulag - de Beauvoir mourned, "A whirlwind is carrying me to the grave, and I am trying not to think."

I suppose the faith in communism must have been something nostalgic for these people. They suddenly felt very old when they lost their faith in the Soviet Union.

That's an interesting paragraph, though I feel it's a bit unfair.  I don't think there was a direct link between de Beauvoir badly coping with old age and the revelations re stalinistic USSR.  The end of Stalin, the news of the camps, the Hungarian revolution and suppression came well before she reached old age.  And it didn't stop her from believing in a socialist society.  In fact the political event that really darkened the first years of her old age was the Algerian war: the constant news of torture and illegal imprisonment, the return of the Gaulle,...

Apologies for coming back to this topic so late...  Also, thank you for those beautiful pictures, tp!
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« Reply #446 on: 10:24:59, 30-08-2008 »

This is interesting point, Mr Y.
Is it possible that she was generally disillusioned about many things?

I have a book recommended by my friends (the same that recommended Clarkson book to me). I am trying to understand what book this is.


I read a few pages. It is like a guide for travelers with humour.
South Dubliners are unreconstructed snobs when it comes to their food. A pizza is called a tort, and amelette is a frittata, and triftle is tiramisu. Play it safe and order a traditional Irish breadfast and you can be assured that the sausages will come spiced with tomatoes and olives. Say the word "rocket" to your average South Dubliner and he will think not of a vehicle or device propelled by the ejection of fast-moving gas from withinits engine but of a leaf vegetable that is an essential ingredient of any salad.

I don't think I will be reading this book.


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« Reply #447 on: 10:45:54, 30-08-2008 »

I don't think I will be reading this book.
I think that's an excellent decision, t-p. Smiley
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« Reply #448 on: 11:42:25, 30-08-2008 »

I read Berberova book a long time ago, when we just arrived to CA.

There were so many names I did not know. She was married to Chodasevich. I did not  know there was such a poet.
There was a lot about what people they met and many pictures.

I remember reading about Bunin and then I tried to read some stories. I found it difficult to get through them, but I tried. I could not understand why they gave him the Nobel Prize.
May be it was political decision? Still he was somewhat interesting writer and I got through one or two of his books. 
There was Merezhkovsky, description of his circles of friends. It was so interesting to see people from before the revolution. They were "Old Intelligenzia", not soviet intellizhenzia that was not exposed to the world culture.

I found the description of Merezhkovsky and his wife very interesting and funny. I could not read Mereahkovsky at that time. I was not interested in that sort of things. May be now I would.
I wish I had this book here. I don't know if they translated it into English. It is not that the book is extra interesting, just that there is a lot of information in it.
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« Reply #449 on: 00:13:29, 02-09-2008 »

A dear friend nabbed this in a second-hand bookstore for me last year, and has been putting off giving it to me ever since due to its hefty weight.



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