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« Reply #450 on: 09:51:25, 02-09-2008 »

increpatio,
Don't feel bad. My friends told me that there are much better books. This one is not that interesting.

I am going back to people being disillusioned with their ideas. I was told, that people are not disillusioned with their idea, but with how it was realized. Majority of people are not disillusioned with their idea. It is rear to be disillusioned. However, most of the time people think that the idea was not realized correctly.


I am going back to Simone de Beauvoir's memoirs.
Sartre was not good looking and not popular at first. Then he was popular because women like success. so may be he was not so depressed after all.

Also about Bunin. I was told to read it again. All three other Russian readers love his books.


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« Reply #451 on: 00:10:59, 09-09-2008 »


Has anyone else indulged in an ereader by Sony? I have  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes It's like a very thin paper back and it has a very clear screen.

They are rather nice.. I now have about 60 books on it ( a free cd helped) including War and Peace!!

Where's that train journey I need to take?!

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« Reply #452 on: 03:45:19, 09-09-2008 »

Oooh!  Very nice indeed A.  I've been following the technology for about two years, but other than a rather pathetic attempt at a phone, I've not owned any e-ink-related devices.
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« Reply #453 on: 00:58:41, 18-09-2008 »

It's been a while since my last submission to this esteemed topic, so I ave a lot of books on catch up on.

Sure enough I did read Dawkins' God Delusion next.

I was utterly convinced by his arguments about the non-existence of God.  I was less convinced by his rant about religion, although I could see what he was upset about.  My problem was that he was picking the worst bits of religious-led life and comparing with the best examples of atheistic life.

Anyway, by the end of it, I was quite happy to call myself an atheist (having been agnostic with spiritual leanings for years).

Out of some perverse sense of balance, I read Alister McGrath's Dawkin's delusion, expecting it to be a feeble reposte by some jumped up evangelist.

To my complete surprise it was a concise, lucid and deadly accurate criticism of Dawkins' book, exposing it for the rant that it is in the places where it is a poor rant.

The logic of Dawkins was still enough for me to feel an atheist, but the precision of McGrath made me feel relieved there was still plenty of discovery to be had.

Then, I finally did get back to fiction.

I read Khaled Hosseni's The Kite Runner, thank to the recommendation of this thread.
I thought it was beautifully written, and a super book, but I couldn't get over the feeling that the plot was all too predictable until the return to Afghanistan.  And gosh, what a surprise who turned out to be the local Taleban leader.....  Still, very glad I read it.

Then I read this:

Rubbish.  interesting enough idea, poorly writen.

Then I went onto another Polkinghorne tome.

Belief in God in and Age of Science seems like a predecessor to the Unlikely Kinship book Milly and I read earlier.  Only much less clearly written.  He uses the words "ontological", "epistemological", and "verissimitude" a lot.  Whilst it only takes once to look them up, it still takes ages to recall that learning and make sense of the point he's trying to make.  Nevertheless, it's a good point - philosophically it could be that there are things we cannot know, and science does not necessarily have the ability to describe everything.

Once I'd finished that, I read this:

Brilliant.  A very lucid exploration of consciousness.  Hofstadter ends up near the same conclusions as Blackmore (that our consciousness is an illusion), but he does it in a way that leaves lots of avenues for exploration.

And finally*...... I read some more fiction: The End of My Y, by Scarlett Thomas.

Bloody Brilliant.  Read it.

Tommo

*Actually not quite finally.  I fully intend to keep reading, and indeed tonight I flicked through the 'religion is evil' thread which I had not bothered with before.  George, you should read the Hofstadter (it is good and not like GEB).  Richard, you should read the Thomas (it may throw clues on something you were wondering).
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« Reply #454 on: 10:14:32, 18-09-2008 »

I have read all of those books except the last and Dawkins has not convinced me into atheism.  I'm still an agnostic. 

Yes, I am that eternal optimist!  Wink
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« Reply #455 on: 10:19:29, 18-09-2008 »

I haven't time now to trawl through to find the Religion is Evil thread so I'm putting this here.  I think it will be an interesting study.

Study into near-death experiences 
By Jane Dreaper
Health correspondent, BBC News 


 
Many people report seeing a bright light
A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest patients.

Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.

Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.

  This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study

Dr Sam Parnia
University of Southampton


Towards the light

To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible only from the ceiling.

Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

"It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but we have to be open-minded.

"And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories.

"This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death experiences.

Process of death

He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific moment.

"It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition termed cardiac arrest.

"During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present. There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

"What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to experience during the dying process."

Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the images in the pictures.

Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine hospitals in the US.

 
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« Reply #456 on: 10:44:45, 18-09-2008 »

Spooky!  I was just about to alert people to that article.

Now, do I go onto the spooky thread, the religion thread, the off topic replies thread, or do I create my own consciousness thread to reply and avoid this thread getting sidetracked?

Tommo

Edit:  After martle's reply, which shows just what a rubbish typist I am.
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« Reply #457 on: 10:55:57, 18-09-2008 »

Now, do I go onto the spooky thread, the religion thread, the off topic replies thread, or dio i create my own consciousness thread to replay and avoid this thread getting sidetracked?

Other thread options, Tommo:

Senior Moments
The Totally Devastated Thread
Picture Association

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« Reply #458 on: 13:27:17, 18-09-2008 »

George, you should read the Hofstadter.

In that case I'm going to read Jane Eyre first Kiss .

But thanks for that, Tommo. I keep meaning to read the new not so new Hofstadter and you have prompted me to nudge it up several rungs on the ever-expanding list.
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« Reply #459 on: 14:24:16, 18-09-2008 »

The End of My Y, by Scarlett Thomas.

Bloody Brilliant.  Read it.

Tommo

I freely admit this is not the most useful book review in the world.  My problem is that I suspect many menbers of this forum will enjoy the book and I don't want to give the game away.  teh best I can do is as follows:

When I read a book, I react to it at several levels simultaneously.  Part of me 'lives the story', part of me appreciates the writing style and skill, part of me tries to understand the mind of the author, part of me wonders what the implications of the book are for my view of the world, etc.  Do any of you have similar experience whilst reading?

A really good book will grab my attention.  Usually, this is by totally immersing me in the 'living the story' - and other levels of awareness are subdued (until after I have put the book down).  I suppose it is analagous to musical performance - for a great performance I will be unaware of the performance technique, intonation, etc, but will just be immersed in the music.

'The End of Mr Y' grabbed many levels of my attention.  It was an incredibly amazing feeling to be immersed in the story and immersed in an insight to the mind of the author and immersed in how this was changing my world-view.  A very skillful piece of writing and novel-structure.

I won't describe the content - for that you will have to read it.  Please do

Thanks

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« Reply #460 on: 16:01:04, 18-09-2008 »



When I read a book, I react to it at several levels simultaneously.  Part of me 'lives the story', part of me appreciates the writing style and skill, part of me tries to understand the mind of the author, part of me wonders what the implications of the book are for my view of the world, etc.  Do any of you have similar experience whilst reading?


'The End of Mr Y' grabbed many levels of my attention. 


A resounding 'Yes'  to all of the above, Tommo, and three of those reactions kicked in at roughly 7.45 this morning round about Chapter 5 of 'The End of Mr Y'. I am completely drawn into and 'living' it. Already fascinating. Ta everso for telling me about it Kiss
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« Reply #461 on: 17:27:25, 18-09-2008 »

'The End of Mr Y'.

Blimey. Does, er, Mr Y know about this book?

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« Reply #462 on: 12:51:53, 19-09-2008 »

It's been a while since my last submission to this esteemed topic, so I ave a lot of books on catch up on.

Sure enough I did read Dawkins' God Delusion next.

I was utterly convinced by his arguments about the non-existence of God.  I was less convinced by his rant about religion, although I could see what he was upset about.  My problem was that he was picking the worst bits of religious-led life and comparing with the best examples of atheistic life.

Anyway, by the end of it, I was quite happy to call myself an atheist (having been agnostic with spiritual leanings for years).

Out of some perverse sense of balance, I read Alister McGrath's Dawkin's delusion, expecting it to be a feeble reposte by some jumped up evangelist.

To my complete surprise it was a concise, lucid and deadly accurate criticism of Dawkins' book, exposing it for the rant that it is in the places where it is a poor rant.

The logic of Dawkins was still enough for me to feel an atheist, but the precision of McGrath made me feel relieved there was still plenty of discovery to be had.

On the topic of religion, the existence of God, etc., may I recommend Nietzsche?  Older, bolder, grander, more total than many of the recent books written on this topic (I feel!).  Not as scary or incomprehensible as one would expect.  Often funny, very diverse and very well written!  A good alternative to the Anglosaxon way of dealing with religion in an analytical/logical fashion, by placing every problem of religion directly in the heart of our existence and the way we cope with it.

The questions Nietzsche asks are not so much 'How do we proove the (non-)existence of God?' or 'Does religion have mainly a positive or a negative influence on society?'.  He asks: 'why do we believe in God?'  Like he says, in some paragraph of ‘The Joyful Science’, one may create the most absurd and illogical divine concept, people will still believe in it, as long as they feel the need to believe.  And the need to believe is related to us badly coping with our own existence, the non-acceptance of our absurd presence in this world. It’s so much more than just logic.  Being an atheist is not only about denying the existence of God, but eradicating every religious aspect of your life (believing in some sort of predestination, ultimate goals or values, absolute truths, a moral of obedience and punishment,…)  Atheism may seem a negative movement, but it is, according to him, the most positive choice you can make.  It’s the affirmation of Life.

‘The Antichrist’ is very good and concise on this topic.  Contrary to what its title suggests, it is not demonic.  In fact, Nietzsche seems to be quite fond of ‘the historical Jesus’ and exempts him from everything he despises about religion.

'The End of Mr Y'.

Blimey. Does, er, Mr Y know about this book?



No!  I’ve been thinking on some kind of joke including ‘MrY’ and ‘my end’, but the result is never subtle.
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« Reply #463 on: 20:29:32, 19-09-2008 »

I've just finished (for the second time) Michael Chabon's Kavalier and Clay and I've really enjoyed it again.
This was a brief interlude before attacking Hesse's Glass Bead Game, which I started on the bus today. I've been meaning to tackle it for a while as background to looking at Stockhausen (plus I really enjoyed Steppenwolf) but it's taken me some time to get to this point.
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« Reply #464 on: 22:42:14, 19-09-2008 »

Thanks Mr Y.  I am less than well read on any of the great Philosophers, so I feel a large splurge of spending in that direction.  Nietzsche will almost certainly be in there.

Tommo
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