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Author Topic: Top 20 books of all time  (Read 1720 times)
Baz
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« Reply #60 on: 15:54:28, 24-04-2008 »


Since we do not currently possess a copy of Proust it would be marvellously convenient were another member to post a page therefrom; and of course pages from any or all of members' own favourites will continue to provide value and entertainment.


Why not download/read Proust HERE?

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« Reply #61 on: 16:35:49, 24-04-2008 »

Someone suggested having a work of Adorno: I would nominate Adorno and Horkheimer's Dialectic of Enlightenment above all (Minima Moralia runs a close second). Also, how about Gramsci's Selections from the Prison Notebooks, Siegfried Kracauer's The Salaried Masses and Pierre Bourdieu's Distinction?
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« Reply #62 on: 16:38:05, 24-04-2008 »


I think I want to amend my list and add 'Tootles the Taxi', its the only book I felt passionately enough about to steal.  I was about 3 1/2 years old at the time and the guilt has remained, most earnestly, to this day.
At last! One I know well! Cheesy I quite understand you coveting such a literary masterpiece...was your theft discovered? Shocked My favourite character was (still is!) Stumbles the Steamroller - sadly, he was omitted from the 1984 revised edition. Cry

What! Stumbles was purged. This outrageous act of censorship clearly exemplifies the false freedoms we so precariously cling to in modern democracy. Perhaps he is replaced by Smuggy the (congestion charge free) Hybrid.

I was never caught, but have lived a life of a desparate fugitive, moving from town to town, using Maurice the motor one week, Minnie the milk-float the next, then Colin the cattle truck, unable to ever settle down. And I don't trust that Flashy the fire engine either, I suspect he's been influenced by the firemen in Fahrenheit 451, one day when my back's turned he'll get busy with his match book, and ding his bell while he's doing it.





My first encounter with Tootles was in 1995 or thereabouts, when my son was born. And thanks to my marriage, we had a copy of the original, with those delicious illustrations. It was also a strong influence when I started compiling a book of stories and pictures for him as he grew.
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« Reply #63 on: 17:43:00, 24-04-2008 »

15) Proust, Marcel: A la recherche du temps perdu (in the 1922-31 English translation)
What? The English translation is better than the original?
I suppose this goes back to what I think  Richard , said about not knowing the languages to read in the original some of these wonderful works. I have read Proust but can only manage it in English.. perhaps this is what Mr Grew meant?

Why not try Proust in Bulgarian?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/03/15/do1505.xml

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That is an interesting project, thanks pim  Grin Grin Wink

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« Reply #64 on: 11:38:13, 26-04-2008 »

Why not download/read Proust HERE?

A useful link; thank you Mr. B.

I have read Proust but can only manage it in English.. perhaps this is what Mr Grew meant?

It was partly that Madame A; as a youth we were even more defective in French than we are now. It was also of course partly a matter of simple availability since the local library had only the English set. Some people do indeed say that that first translation - mostly Scott-Moncrieff's is it not - is in some sense superior to the original, and while that might be proposed as a third reason we do not think it had a great deal of influence on our choice at the time. It was almost certainly from Proust that we acquired our love of long but balanced sentences.
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« Reply #65 on: 11:45:00, 26-04-2008 »

It was almost certainly from Proust that we acquired our love of long but balanced sentences.

If we may say so, Mr Grew, it does néanmoins appear de temps en temps that you diverge slightly from your model when it comes to his love of punctuation...
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« Reply #66 on: 11:56:54, 26-04-2008 »

It was almost certainly from Proust that we acquired our love of long but balanced sentences.

If we may say so, Mr Grew, it does néanmoins appear de temps en temps that you diverge slightly from your model when it comes to his love of punctuation...

And for that matter, in a certain sense, balance.
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« Reply #67 on: 12:31:37, 26-04-2008 »

OK, only just noticed this infinitely amusing party game.

For worthy influential works you have to have St Augustine of Hippo's Confessions.  The first work in Western, or indeed any, literature to use individual experience in all its muddle and ambiguity as the starting point for understanding life.

Whenever an agony aunt writes or a therapist asks "And how did that make you feel?"  they are only doing so because Augustine got there first.

No George Eliot?  No Jane Austen?  Jane may be too English for international importance, but I have certainly seen translations in Turkish and Italian bookshops.  I suppose it must be Pride and Prejudice, but I have a sneaking tendency to avoid the best known, so perhaps Emma.

Mary Ann Evans aka George Eliot.  Last time I read Silas Marner I was in continuous tears, but I suppose it had better be Middlemarch.

And pim, I am sorry to say Oliver Twist is Dickens at his melodramatic, soppy worst.  Better have Bleak House, Great Expectations or Little Dorrit.  If you want the popular Dickens, Christmas Carol has a lot going for it: Dickens at this best and his worst.

Interesting there's been no Balzac as yet.

O children's books.  Come on, its got to be Alice.
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« Reply #68 on: 13:34:02, 26-04-2008 »

    
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« Reply #69 on: 14:22:07, 26-04-2008 »

And two works that once upon a time would have been immediates:

Milton Paradise Lost

Bunyan Pilgrim's Progress.


I suspect they are overlooked nowadays because their appeal was their religious cachet, which if anything puts people off.

Whereas I am put off by them espousing the wrong sort of religion.

But Bunyan was a genuine working class republican who never even had much in the way of secondary education.  If you are at all concerned with culture that is not merely those in power, Pilgrim's Progress is the most important book in English.
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« Reply #70 on: 16:10:31, 26-04-2008 »

their religious cachet, which if anything puts people off.

It certainly put me off!  Perhaps Pilgrim's Progress has something to say, but its longwinded tortuous prose makes reading it a miserable and pentitential experience for which I have no personal need.
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« Reply #71 on: 16:25:38, 26-04-2008 »

The violent Calvinism of Bunyan is appalling, although it makes sense in terms of what some (ie Professor Christopher Hill) would call the class struggle.  Although its  tortured nature is far more admirable than the smug self-righteousness of modern American evangelicalism.

But I can't let you get away with describing his prose as tortuous.  Any other C17 writer maybe (Thomas Browne, Launcelot Andrewes, Milton himself) but not the tinker of Elstow.  As I walk'd though the wilderness of this world, I lighted me on a certain place where was a Den, and I laid me down in that place to sleep; and as I slept I dreamed a Dream.

I am completely out of sympathy with the theology, but it inspired my favourite Vaughan Williams opera.
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« Reply #72 on: 17:45:29, 26-04-2008 »

Alessandro Manzoni I promessi sposi

As the only Great Italian C19 novel I believe it is dreaded  by Italian schoolchildren as it is the set text - Dickens, Shakespeare and Walter Scott all rolled into one.  I have read it a number of times, and love it.

It is a rare example of liberal catholicism, which may explain why Verdi was only too happy to write a requiem for the author.
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« Reply #73 on: 19:58:33, 26-04-2008 »

But Bunyan was a genuine working class republican who never even had much in the way of secondary education.  If you are at all concerned with culture that is not merely those in power, Pilgrim's Progress is the most important book in English.


But to be quite honest, I prefer Love in a Cold Climate and The Code of the Woosters any day.  Neither of which would be in any responsible list of top books of all time.
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« Reply #74 on: 23:12:55, 26-04-2008 »

But to be quite honest, I prefer Love in a Cold Climate and The Code of the Woosters any day.  Neither of which would be in any responsible list of top books of all time.

Can't we start an irresponsible list of top books/authors then, Don B?  Wink

PG Wodehouse goes straight in at number 1!

Actually, The Cat in the Hat may only be a silly rhyming book for kids but those books by "Dr Seuss" have been pretty influential for decades haven't they? Maybe there should be a new thread for discussing children's books' authors... Beatrix Potter, E Nesbit (I've just been reading her Wiki biog, very interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Nesbit , Enid Blyton... Roll Eyes
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