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Author Topic: Top 20 books of all time  (Read 1720 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #30 on: 21:54:31, 22-04-2008 »

The trouble with books is there are so many in languages one can't read, and otherwise there are so many in English and in translation that I haven't read, I wouldn't presume to judge on something like importance, whatever kind of importance we're talking about, but a few titles not so far mentioned suggested themselves to me:

Simone de Beauvoir - The Second Sex
Samuel Beckett - Molloy - Malone Dies - the Unnameable
Miguel de Cervantes - Don Quixote
Nicolaus Copernicus - On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres
René Descartes - Discourse on Method
Albert Einstein - Relativity
Euclid - Elements
Frantz Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth
Sigmund Freud - The Interpretation of Dreams
Galileo Galilei - Dialogue Concerning the Two New Sciences
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Faust
Lucretius - On the Nature of Things
Karl Marx/Friedrich Engels - Communist Manifesto
Robert Musil - The Man Without Qualities
Marcel Proust - Remembrance of Things Past
François Rabelais - Gargantua and Pantagruel
Laurence Sterne - Tristram Shandy
Ludwig Wittgenstein - Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
The Tale of the Heike
The Epic of Gilgamesh


Blimey, that's another 20 already, and I was just getting started... and only one of them was originally written in English!
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« Reply #31 on: 00:40:15, 23-04-2008 »

a few titles not so far mentioned
Proust's been mentioned at least twice already. Wink

Agree with most of your others (those I've read, and the others are generally things I imagine might well impress me if I did read them). I only didn't mention the Communist Manifesto because we'd had Capital, and The Interpretation of Dreams because I went for The Psychopathology of Everyday Life instead. If we're allowed two per author then I'll take your Tractatus and up you a Philosophical Investigations.

Don't know how we managed to miss Tristram Shandy or Descartes up to now.

Also, Being and Time anyone? Of Grammatology? A Thousand Plateaus? (Maybe not for the top twenty, but honourable mentions at least.)
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« Reply #32 on: 09:26:49, 23-04-2008 »

Proust's been mentioned at least twice already. Wink
Shows you what a close reader I am.

I only didn't mention the Communist Manifesto because we'd had Capital, and The Interpretation of Dreams because I went for The Psychopathology of Everyday Life instead. If we're allowed two per author then I'll take your Tractatus and up you a Philosophical Investigations.
I didn't think there was a restriction to one per author... would it not be the case though that more people have read the Manifesto than Capital? I haven't read much Freud (not Psychopathology for example) so I'm a bit shaky on what's most "important", and as for Wittgenstein I'm more of a Tractatus kind of guy but that's maybe a personal matter.

Being and Time - yes (another one I haven't read). And maybe Pascal's Pensées. I would like to think that Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel could be heading in the direction of being essential.
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« Reply #33 on: 10:58:26, 23-04-2008 »

Anyone else like to see Fontane's Effi Briest get a look in?

Another, regretably, I have not read. What makes you pitch for it? It's always the oddities that intrigue me in personal canonising.

NB. fine playing on Saturday's Hear and Now  Smiley


Of Grammatology - I used to think that every undergraduate SHOULD read this book, regardless of their degree. Being and Time was on my shortlist. Gilgamesh gets my vote too and with all this 'importance' and being 'earnest' I feel the need to endorse another comedy: Tristram Shandy is a wonderful choice RB.
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« Reply #34 on: 11:40:44, 23-04-2008 »

I wasn't planning to play ... but since no one else has mentioned it, and I think it really has to be there, I'm popping in to add Kant: Critique of Pure Reason.

And FWIW I'd choose Hume's Treatise of Human Nature as his central work rather than The Natural History Of Religion, great fun though the latter is.

Not in the same league at all but one to add to the 'highly influential' list would be Rachel Carson: Silent Spring. I suppose aspects of it are slightly discredited now, and things have moved on, but it was one of those rare books which actually changed public opinion and public policy in a vital area. Quite some achievement.   

But by far the most disturbing thing for me about this thread is that it reveals that several people here have actually read Moby Dick Shocked.  I thought there was an agreed if unspoken convention that you didn't really have to as long as you sort of knew about it. Omigod, does this mean that I've got to fit it in somehow before I die? I hadn't planned on that at all and I'm not sure I'm up to it.

Oh, and great childhood favourite which no one else had ever heard of and which took me forty years to track down again, and then only by cheekily writing to the author, Bruce Carter: Tricycle Tim. The most enthralling description of what it is actually like to ride a tricycle through puddles on a bumpy road ever written. It was a life-changing revelation that this sort of thing could be done in words.
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« Reply #35 on: 14:03:57, 23-04-2008 »

Hmm, it all rather depends on what you mean by "best".  Any such list is bound to be pretty subjective.
Popper Logik der Forschung

Any that shouldn't be here?

We certainly cannot approve of Popper, having always found him quite unbearable!

David Hume - The Natural History of Religion (can people still believe in something after reading this book?!)

Indeed they can, because Hume fails to define a single one of the terms he uses.

Something by Hegel, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche or Adorno would also be fine.

We cannot approve the inclusion of Hegel either, because in fact he had most of his ideas from Schelling.

That list contains only English language works and is FAR too heavily weighted towards American writers - none of whom, in my opinion, deserve a place at the top table.

With this sensible sentiment we are in entire agreement.

I think it would be hard for you to judge the importance of American writers if you can't judge whether they accurately reflect the culture from which they come.

We are unconvinced that the importance of a writer has anything to do with whether or not he accurately "reflects" some "culture."

Of Grammatology? (Maybe not for the top twenty, but honourable mention at least.)

Actually speaking through our philosophical hat we may confidently assure Members that De la Grammatologie is pretentious rubbish.

Here then is our own list of twenty first-raters:

1) Adam, James: The Vitality of Platonism (1911)
2) Benson, Arthur Christopher: Diaries (in 179 volumes, held by the Pepys Library at Cambridge, who refuse to permit its complete publication because money cannot be made from it; only a few short extracts have been published to date or ever will be at the present rate)
3) Blackwood, Algernon: The Human Chord (1910)
4) Broch, Hermann: Der Tod des Vergil (1947)
5) Broughton, Rhoda: Lavinia (1902) or indeed any of her many novels from the period 1892 to 1919
6) Coccioli, Carlo: The Eye and the Heart (English translation 1960)
7) Friend, Donald: Diaries (4 volumes, 2001-2007)
8) Intel Incorporation: Pentium Processor User's Manual, volume 3: Architecture and Programming
9) Lewis, Wyndham: The Art of Being Ruled (1926)
10) Murdoch, Iris: The Sea, the Sea (1978)
11) Orton, Joe: The Orton Diaries (1986)
12) The Oxford English Dictionary (12 volumes, 1933)
13) Peyrefitte, Roger: Roy (1979)
14) Plato: Symposium (circa 340 B.C.)
15) Proust, Marcel: A la recherche du temps perdu (in the 1922-31 English translation)
16) Schelling, Friedrich: Historico-Critical Introduction to the Philosophy of Mythology (1856)
17) Stamford, John: Spartacus International Gay Guide (annually since 1970)
18) Toynbee, Philip (ed.): Underdogs, Eighteen Victims of Society (1961)
19) Westwood, Gordon: A Minority - A Report on the Life of the Male Homosexualist in Great Britain (1960)
20) Wilde, Oscar: Complete Works (1948)
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« Reply #36 on: 14:39:38, 23-04-2008 »

Hmm, it all rather depends on what you mean by "best".  Any such list is bound to be pretty subjective.
Popper Logik der Forschung

Any that shouldn't be here?

We certainly cannot approve of Popper, having always found him quite unbearable!


We look forward to understanding the falsifiable form of that proposition.
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« Reply #37 on: 16:58:16, 23-04-2008 »

15) Proust, Marcel: A la recherche du temps perdu (in the 1922-31 English translation)
What? The English translation is better than the original?

I was about to say something about Iris Murdoch quite patently not deserving a place alongside Plato, Broch and the Intel Incorporation (all of which seem fascinating and praiseworthy choices), but my attention was suddenly distracted by entry number 17, which suggests does it not that Mr Grew was thinking of a different meaning of the word 'top'.
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« Reply #38 on: 17:12:26, 23-04-2008 »

I'm just waiting for a certain somebody else to notice that one, tisnow Wink

(Is nobody else alarmed at the preponderance of tomes dating from after the Annus Grewibilis of 1908? To a mere bystander this would appear to signal something of a step-change in the sensibilities of our Mr G.)
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« Reply #39 on: 17:17:37, 23-04-2008 »

I notice though that member Grew himselves used the ominous term "first-raters" rather than any literal reference to the top men and women of literature.
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« Reply #40 on: 17:30:21, 23-04-2008 »

I wish to ask the Honourable Member Grew why Paul Léautaud is not on his list. Le Petit Ami is a very fine antidote to the ghastly overrated works of Monsieur Proust and Léautaud's diaries must have been a great pleasure to Member Grew.
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« Reply #41 on: 22:29:43, 23-04-2008 »

15) Proust, Marcel: A la recherche du temps perdu (in the 1922-31 English translation)
What? The English translation is better than the original?


I suppose this goes back to what I think  Richard , said about not knowing the languages to read in the original some of these wonderful works. I have read Proust but can only manage it in English.. perhaps this is what Mr Grew meant?

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« Reply #42 on: 23:25:34, 23-04-2008 »


I think I want to amend my list and add 'Tootles the Taxi', its the only book I felt passionately enough about to steal.  I was about 3 1/2 years old at the time and the guilt has remained, most earnestly, to this day.
At last! One I know well! Cheesy I quite understand you coveting such a literary masterpiece...was your theft discovered? Shocked My favourite character was (still is!) Stumbles the Steamroller - sadly, he was omitted from the 1984 revised edition. Cry
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« Reply #43 on: 23:36:35, 23-04-2008 »

15) Proust, Marcel: A la recherche du temps perdu (in the 1922-31 English translation)
What? The English translation is better than the original?
I suppose this goes back to what I think  Richard , said about not knowing the languages to read in the original some of these wonderful works. I have read Proust but can only manage it in English.. perhaps this is what Mr Grew meant?

Why not try Proust in Bulgarian?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/03/15/do1505.xml

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« Reply #44 on: 00:12:01, 24-04-2008 »


I think I want to amend my list and add 'Tootles the Taxi', its the only book I felt passionately enough about to steal.  I was about 3 1/2 years old at the time and the guilt has remained, most earnestly, to this day.
At last! One I know well! Cheesy I quite understand you coveting such a literary masterpiece...was your theft discovered? Shocked My favourite character was (still is!) Stumbles the Steamroller - sadly, he was omitted from the 1984 revised edition. Cry

What! Stumbles was purged. This outrageous act of censorship clearly exemplifies the false freedoms we so precariously cling to in modern democracy. Perhaps he is replaced by Smuggy the (congestion charge free) Hybrid.

I was never caught, but have lived a life of a desparate fugitive, moving from town to town, using Maurice the motor one week, Minnie the milk-float the next, then Colin the cattle truck, unable to ever settle down. And I don't trust that Flashy the fire engine either, I suspect he's been influenced by the firemen in Fahrenheit 451, one day when my back's turned he'll get busy with his match book, and ding his bell while he's doing it.



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