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« Reply #795 on: 05:56:04, 25-09-2008 »

With apologies to Wallace Stevens, and gratitude to increpatio for the coding time, energy, and skills.

But nakednen massa, cost atom.
Innermost at remains cottom mattedness, woollerns an innemains concealed, what does the bottoncerns an if that remains conceale bottom makedness, woollen massan innermom.
If that red, what does ther?
But nakess, woollen ma, concerns atom.
If that does the bom matter?
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« Reply #796 on: 15:31:40, 25-09-2008 »

Ballad About False Beacons
     
     ...and those far, elusive lights plunged the souls of seamen into darkness, offering them false hope...
From an ancient pilot’s manual

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We’ve been bewitched by countless lies,
by azure images of ice,
by false promises of open sky and sea,
and rescued by a God we don’t believe.
Like coppers rattling from a beggar’s plate
guiding lights have fallen on our days
and burned and died.
We’ve pressed our ship
a pilgrimage of nights toward such lights
as, always elusive, lured and tricked
the keel upon the rocks and ripped
the helmhold from the hand and lashed
the beggared palm to scraps.
Ice tightens at the bow and breath.
To dock, to dropp the anchor to its rest,
to drift (a dream!) on waters quieted
and calmed. We can’t. We’re after a mirage.
(The whiskered walrus brays; the sea salt thaws.
Again, we’re off!)
Raised on powdered milk, we’ll have no faith
in beacons any longer, nor mistake
real for fake, or waking for a dream.
Beacons can’t be trusted. Trust instead
the will of your own hand and head.
Again the captain waves his glass,
sights a beacon, turns and cries
'Helmsman! There’s a beacon. Are you blind? '
But Helmsman, with the truer eye
thinks mutiny and grumbles,
'A mirage.'


1964
Translated by Anthony Kahn

Yevgeny Yevtushenk
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« Reply #797 on: 09:45:50, 29-09-2008 »

From Poèmes pataphysiques, Raymond Queneau (tr. Teo Savory)
Pour un art poètique (1948/1965)

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Good lord good lord how I'd like to write a little poem
Hold on there's one right now passing by
Come on little one
here where I can lead you
snap your lead onto the collar of my other poems
here where I can encase you
into the compression of my complete works
where I can enpaper you
and enrhyme you
enrhythm you
enlyric you
enpegasus you
enverse you
enprose you

oh you bitch
     you got away

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Black inkwell in the moonlight
black inkwell in the moonlight
in the moonlight black inkwell
in the moonlight black inkwell
has lent the poor poet its pen
has lent the poor poet its pen
it's rather cool tonight
in the moonlight black inkwell
's pen runs over white paper

pen's tracked some little black traces
white moon dark inkwell
father and mother of this new-born poem
white moon dark inkwell
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« Reply #798 on: 14:32:36, 29-09-2008 »

My most respected
                            comrades of posterity!
Rummaging among
                             these days’
                                             petrified crap,
exploring the twilight of our times,
you,
      possibly,
                    will inquire about me too.

And, possibly, your scholars
                                           will declare,
with their erudition overwhelming
                                                     a swarm of problems;
once there lived
                        a certain champion of boiled water,
and inveterate enemy of raw water.

Professor,
             take off your bicycle glasses!
I myself will expound
                                 those times
                                                   and myself.

I, a latrine cleaner
                          and water carrier,
by the revolution
                         mobilized and drafted,
went off to the front
                              from the aristocratic gardens
of poetry -
               the capricious wench
She planted a delicious garden,
the daughter,
                 cottage,
                           pond
                                  and meadow.

Myself a garden I did plant,
myself with water sprinkled it.
some pour their verse from water cans;
others spit water
                        from their mouth -
the curly Macks,
                       the clever jacks -
but what the hell’s it all about!
There’s no damming al this up -
beneath the walls they mandoline:
“Tara-tina, tara-tine,
tw-a-n-g...”
It’s no great honor, then,
                                      for my monuments
to rise from such roses
above the public squares,
                                      where consumption coughs,
where whores, hooligans and syphilis
                                                          walk.

Agitprop
             sticks
                     in my teeth too,
and I’d rather
                   compose
                               romances for you -
more profit in it
                        and more charm.

But I
       subdued
                   myself,
                            setting my heel
on the throat
                 of my own song.
Listen,
       comrades of posterity,
to the agitator
                   the rabble-rouser.

Stifling
         the torrents of poetry,
I’ll skip
         the volumes of lyrics;
as one alive,
                I’ll address the living.
I’ll join you
                 in the far communist future,
I who am
           no Esenin super-hero.

My verse will reach you
                                    across the peaks of ages,
over the heads
                    of governments and poets.

My verse
           will reach you
not as an arrow
                      in a cupid-lyred chase,
not as worn penny
Reaches a numismatist,
not as the light of dead stars reaches you.

My verse
            by labor
                       will break the mountain chain of years,
and will present itself
                                ponderous,
                                               crude,
                                                      tangible,
as an aqueduct,
                     by slaves of Rome
constructed,
                enters into our days.

When in mounds of books,
                                       where verse lies buried,
you discover by chance the iron filings of lines,
touch them
               with respect,
                                 as you would
some antique
                  yet awesome weapon.

It’s no habit of mine
                             to caress
                                         the ear
                                                  with words;
a maiden’s ear
                     curly-ringed
will not crimson
                       when flicked by smut.

In parade deploying
                             the armies of my pages,
I shall inspect
                    the regiments in line.

Heavy as lead,
                   my verses at attention stand,
ready for death
                     and for immortal fame.

The poems are rigid,
                              pressing muzzle
to muzzle their gaping
                                 pointed titles.

The favorite
                of all the armed forces
the cavalry of witticisms
                                     ready
to launch a wild hallooing charge,
reins its chargers still,
                               raising
the pointed lances of the rhymes.
and all
         these troops armed to the teeth,
which have flashed by
                                 victoriously for twenty years,
all these,
           to their very last page,
I present to you,
                       the planet’s proletarian.

The enemy
              of the massed working class
is my enemy too
                        inveterate and of long standing.

Years of trial
                   and days of hunger
                                                ordered us
to march
           under the red flag.

We opened
               each volume
                                 of Marx
as we would open
                          the shutters
                                           in our own house;
but we did not have to read
                                         to make up our minds
which side to join,
                          which side to fight on.

Our dialectics
                   were not learned
                                            from Hegel.
In the roar of battle
                            it erupted into verse,
when,
       under fire,
                     the bourgeois decamped
as once we ourselves
                               had fled
                                           from them.
Let fame
            trudge
                    after genius
like an inconsolable widow
                                        to a funeral march -
die then, my verse,
                          die like a common soldier,
like our men
                 who nameless died attacking!
I don’t care a spit
                         for tons of bronze;
I don’t care a spit
                          for slimy marble.
We’re men of  kind,
                            we’ll come to terms about our fame;
let our
        common monument be
socialism
             built
                   in battle.
Men of posterity
                        examine the flotsam of dictionaries:
out of Lethe
                will bob up
                                the debris of such words
as “prostitution,”
                      “tuberculosis,”
                                        “blockade.”
For you,
         who are now
                           healthy and agile,
the poet
          with the rough tongue
                                           of his posters,
has licked away consumptives’ spittle.
With the tail of my years behind me,
                                                        I begin to resemble
those monsters,
                     excavated dinosaurs.
Comrade life,
                   let us
                          march faster,
march
        faster through what’s left
                                               of the five-year plan.
My verse
            has brought me
                                  no rubles to spare:
no craftsmen have made
                                   mahogany chairs for my house.
In all conscience,
                         I need nothing
except
        a freshly laundered shirt.
When I appear
                     before the CCC
                                            of the coming
                                            bright years,
by way of my Bolshevik party card,
                                                      I’ll raise
above the heads
                      of a gang of self-seeking
                                                           poets and rogues,
all the hundred volumes
                                   of my
                                           communist-committed books.

 

Vladimir Mayakovsky
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« Reply #799 on: 14:41:18, 29-09-2008 »

'And after each group disintegration...'

Thanks for that t-p. Fascinating breadth of allusions I seem to detect there (Waller and Juvenal just for starters).
I think I prefer the cut-up nature of the opening to the more coherent close but I enjoyed reading the whole thing.
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« Reply #800 on: 14:51:27, 29-09-2008 »

Many verses people include in their speech:

Our dialectics
                   were not learned
                                            from Hegel.
Or:

My verse
            has brought me
                                  no rubles to spare:
no craftsmen have made
                                   mahogany chairs for my house.
In all conscience,
                         I need nothing
except
        a freshly laundered shirt.

May be now they know him less. I think they still do know him.




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« Reply #801 on: 14:55:50, 29-09-2008 »

Many verses people include in their speech:

Our dialectics
                   were not learned
                                            from Hegel.
Or:

My verse
            has brought me
                                  no rubles to spare:
no craftsmen have made
                                   mahogany chairs for my house.
In all conscience,
                         I need nothing
except
        a freshly laundered shirt.

May be now they know him less. I think they still do know him.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying here...
Is this a reference to the breadth of allusions that Mayakovsky makes, or to the way in which Mayakovsky's poetry seeped into the speeches of public speakers (politicians?)?
I've got a book of Mayakovsky but it's elsewhere.
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« Reply #802 on: 15:19:58, 29-09-2008 »

I think t-p was saying that Russians (ordinary people I think, not especially public speakers or politicians: is that right, t-p?) often quote those lines from Mayakovsky's poem.
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« Reply #803 on: 15:21:23, 29-09-2008 »

Oh yes! That makes more sense than what I was thinking!
Thanks.
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« Reply #804 on: 15:40:32, 29-09-2008 »

With apologies to Wallace Stevens, and gratitude to increpatio for the coding time, energy, and skills.

But nakednen massa, cost atom.
Innermost at remains cottom mattedness, woollerns an innemains concealed, what does the bottoncerns an if that remains conceale bottom makedness, woollen massan innermom.
If that red, what does ther?
But nakess, woollen ma, concerns atom.
If that does the bom matter?
This was much longer last time I read it! Wasn't it? Huh
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« Reply #805 on: 15:46:16, 29-09-2008 »

Wasn't it? Huh
Yes.
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« Reply #806 on: 16:52:03, 29-09-2008 »

Yes but it's better as it now stands.
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« Reply #807 on: 17:42:02, 29-09-2008 »

t-i-n is correct, like usual. Educated people would say: We did not learn dialectic from Hegel (this is how it sounds in Russian). (The meaning is that they know it from practice or experience).
The second one: I don't need much more than freshly loundered shirt. (I like that one).

He has a poem Cloud in trousers (or pants in american language). I have to find it. It is very good.
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« Reply #808 on: 07:23:47, 30-09-2008 »

This is Mayakovsky's Cloud wearing trousers.
http://www.arsint.com/2006/v_m_6.html
PART 1: DOWN WITH YOU LOVE

Put it down to swamp-fever.

It happened.
In Odessa. It happened.

“I’ll see you at four”, Maria promised.

Eight.
Nine.
Ten.

Mayakovsky was unlucky not only during his life (during life time many people are unlucky), but even after death. At first they criticised his poetry. That was during his life time.
After he killed himself they canonized him. He became official poet which turn many people off. Now he is persecuted again as a communist agent.




We had to learn this poem while taking Russian literature class in college. I just tried to skip myway through it. Only later I found out I was wrong. (The story of my life).
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« Reply #809 on: 09:47:23, 30-09-2008 »

I just tried to skip my way through it. Only later I found out I was wrong. (The story of my life).

The story of most of our lives, t-p Smiley.
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