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Author Topic: Bakelite Clarinets?  (Read 814 times)
Il Grande Inquisitor
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« on: 09:41:19, 26-05-2007 »

Morning all!

Yesterday, a parent at school brought me a clarinet to have a look at which she'd just bought off eBay for her daughter. It was a make I'd never heard of before - Lindo - and the body is made of bakelite. With an unusual reed of unspecified strength and an awkward ligature, I couldn't get a decent sound from it, so am popping round in the hols with my own mouthpiece to try it out.

I found Lindo's website: http://www.lindoltd.com/viewProduct.php?ProdID=6&Thumb=2

Does anyone here know anything about them (Ollie?) and whether they can be recommended?
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« Reply #1 on: 10:15:14, 26-05-2007 »

I wonder if Buffet or Boosey & Hawkes ever made, errr, office chairs (!) as a sideline?  Huh
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« Reply #2 on: 10:23:25, 26-05-2007 »

I met a student who bought viola on eBay. His viola is better than mine (mine is in 250 euro region).
The student bought a better one twice as cheap. He said that when they sell in shops they buy it the same way and then put their own label or something like that.

I know that many people buy this way now and are happy with the results.
I would not buy a piano like this. I want to look at it and try it with my own hands (and see other people try it).
May be ollie knows about clarinets. I think he is away now far away.
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« Reply #3 on: 00:02:56, 13-07-2007 »

I don't actually know all that much about clarinets apart from the ones I play (I play Buffet Festivals and if you were to ask me about Selmers, Leblancs, Eatons, Wurlitzers or Seggelkes I wouldn't be able to tell you anything useful) but I do know you shouldn't write off an instrument without giving it a try. There are some deeply dodgy wooden clarinets and some surprisingly good let's say non-wooden ones...

On the other hand unless the price is money you can afford to throw away I think you should never buy an instrument without trying it.

The important thing with a student clarinet (I reckon) is that it blows OK (i.e. without some notes being much harder work than others) and is reasonably in tune; it needs to make an OK sound but it will be a while before a student can notice the things which differentiate a good instrument from an OK one. The only thing you really don't want a student instrument to do is create bad habits (whether of mouth or ear) which might have to be undone later. In a sense a plastic clarinet can be an option worth exploring in that should the student move on to a wooden one the plastic one can still be useful, when playing outdoors for example. A wooden student one will simply be superseded by any later instrument. (That's a thought which mainly comes from recorder-land but I think it applies to clarinet too.)

You can also work wonders on a substandard clarinet with a really good mouthpiece and professional quality clarinet mouthpieces are really very inexpensive for what they are. Go to a good shop such as Howarth's (or Vandoren if you're in Paris!) and they'll let you try out mouthpieces which are no different from what orchestral or solo professionals use; work your way through the Vandoren range for example and you'll not only have a great time but you'll learn a lot about the possibilities available.
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« Reply #4 on: 01:08:37, 13-07-2007 »

Many saxophonists will say that a plastic sax like Ornette used to play is at least comparable to metal ones... this is probably even more so for recorders. I would even venture to say that an average music lover would not pass the blindfold test when listening for the difference btw plastic or wooden recorders (as long as the mouthpieces are of comparable quality, that is)
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« Reply #5 on: 01:11:53, 13-07-2007 »

I'm a mere amateur when it comes to single-reed instruments, but surely the most important factors in quality of sound are (in no particular order): the mouthpiece, the reed and the embouchure. As long as the keys work properly, the rest of the instrument is of less importance.
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« Reply #6 on: 22:56:48, 15-07-2007 »

I don't actually know all that much about clarinets apart from the ones I play (I play Buffet Festivals and if you were to ask me about Selmers, Leblancs, Eatons, Wurlitzers or Seggelkes I wouldn't be able to tell you anything useful) but I do know you shouldn't write off an instrument without giving it a try. There are some deeply dodgy wooden clarinets and some surprisingly good let's say non-wooden ones...


Very true. Thanks for that response, Ollie - was away earlier in the week. I did go round and try out the bakelite one with my own mouthpiece and it produced a very nice sound. I think the child's starting lessons at school in September.

I play, far too rarely, a Selmer 10SII, although it only tends to get an outing when I'm teaching. I have been enjoying some little Dvorak duets, however - arrangement of his Five Minuets op.28 no.2 - and have resolved to play more regularly during the summer holidays!
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« Reply #7 on: 01:13:35, 16-07-2007 »

Many saxophonists will say that a plastic sax like Ornette used to play is at least comparable to metal ones... this is probably even more so for recorders. I would even venture to say that an average music lover would not pass the blindfold test when listening for the difference btw plastic or wooden recorders (as long as the mouthpieces are of comparable quality, that is)

It seems to be the key to perpetual motion in the recorder world; the debate about whether a mass-produced instrument in synthetic material is better than one individually crafted in a natural material just refuses to lay down.
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« Reply #8 on: 00:05:56, 19-07-2007 »

I'd like to know what the keys were made of on such a cheap instrument. I had a £99 clarinet in my hands once and I was immediately struck by the lightness of it. That's no bad thing at all, but the keys felt very light - probably plastic - and they didn't seem very reassuring.

PS - I was assured to see one of the clarinettists playing in of the Proms on TV recently (the Rossini I think) whilst resting the instrument on his knee. A bad habit I admit to indulging in.
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« Reply #9 on: 18:50:04, 20-07-2007 »

the debate about whether a mass-produced instrument in synthetic material is better than one individually crafted in a natural material just refuses to lay down.
It depends I suppose whether you perceive an instrument as in some way having a personality. (I hesitate to use the word 'soul' but maybe I shouldn't.) I do derive a certain pleasure from my wooden recorders that I don't have from my plastic ones which isn't necessarily to do with the sound. Having said that I don't know how that works with clarinets though: I'm not really sure I feel my wooden bass has somehow more 'soul' than my metal contra.

Indeed I do sometimes imagine that my contra might have an idea what's happened to it over the years, setting out from Paris and arriving in Sydney at the Conservatorium in the '60s, being variously used and misused by students who came along and doubtless expected it to work immediately rather than spending any quality time with it, ending up in a battered old wooden case in a cupboard and being dragged out once a year if that, until being hauled out by this silly person who dragged it around the place playing weird solo pieces and eventually bought it and brought it back to Paris again, then eventually to Köln, having it thoroughly overhauled by the Gate Master of the Black Forest and getting a nice new case for it, bringing it on reasonably high-profile gigs every few weeks where it has pretty interesting things to do. I do sometimes hope it prefers that to mouldering in a cupboard.
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« Reply #10 on: 22:11:40, 29-07-2007 »

This post is nothing to do with bakelite, but I thought the clarinettists around here might be interested in something I've just heard: "I'm Takin' the Blue River Train", a cowboy song recorded by Carson Robison and his Pioneers in I would imagine the 1920s or 30s. It's a fairly typical early example of what would later be called country and western, except that the bass line is played throughout on bass clarinet slaptongues. Either that or I'm hearing things, which is always possible.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:14:19, 29-07-2007 »

Richard, you simply just gotta give details of that, before I drown in my own salivation.  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: 22:37:08, 29-07-2007 »

It's on a CD called (believe it or not) "Accordions of the World", to which I don't have the cover, so no details there, but from the look of things it's also come out on other CDs. But we'll be seeing one another in a couple of weeks, will we not.
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« Reply #13 on: 22:46:41, 29-07-2007 »

Indeed.  Grin Bring it along. Come to think of it, it may be useful for what we have planned.

Oh, sorry everyone - as you were. Ahem.
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« Reply #14 on: 23:28:48, 29-07-2007 »

Come to think of it, it may be useful for what we have planned.



                                         

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