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« Reply #15 on: 20:49:37, 12-02-2007 »



As it happens I was listening to that recording of Juditha a couple of days ago. In most regards I think it puts previous recordings in the shade, making Robert King's for example sound colourless, inexpressive and very English.

How I agree, Richard. The opera recordings in Naïve’s Vivaldi Edition are brimming with life....Tito Manlio's very good, but the highlight so far has been their recording of Orlando furioso.
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« Reply #16 on: 22:22:31, 13-02-2007 »

Cheers Ollie - didn't know about the Chalumeau

Any modern works for it?

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« Reply #17 on: 09:17:46, 14-02-2007 »

Tommo, I have a feeling there may be some on the way... Wink
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« Reply #18 on: 17:55:35, 14-02-2007 »

So how would one write for it today (in whatever style) in  . . er . . a characterful way ?
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« Reply #19 on: 22:19:26, 14-02-2007 »

Damn tricky question, autoharp. I don't think there's a simple answer. I do have a few musings on the subject though, which Aaron and Richard will probably want to ignore...

I think the attraction of the instrument to composers like Telemann, Fasch and Graupner [yes, I know that's not a terribly auspicious beginning but please bear with me] is the fragility and the other-worldliness of the sound. The instrument which they most often used on its own had F above middle C as its lowest note (at least it seems to have had - there are some organologists in Germany who think otherwise but I don't know exactly why). Since it's built like a clarinet (acoustically speaking a stopped-pipe cylindrical bore) that's an incredibly short tube. The lowest note of the instrument is the open note of the Bb clarinet - so imagine all my fingers being higher up than any of them are while playing the 'normal' clarinet.

It's a very fluid sound which can be chirpy but also extremely vocal and expressive. The instrument can do hardly anything - the normal range is a twelfth and it was hardly ever used outside its basic scale. Much less so than was the recorder, for example - cross-fingerings on the chalumeau aren't particularly effective and certainly don't speak as freely as on the recorder. (Three flats on a treble recorder is tricky to finger but sounds pretty good - think the Vivaldi C minor concerto.)

So what the main composers for the instrument tended to do was (oversimplifying horribly) to have it either float long melodies or run around chasing its tail.

Anyway. You need to know what Telemann, Fasch and Graupner wrote for it...
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« Reply #20 on: 01:46:18, 15-02-2007 »

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"The time has come", the Vulture said,
"to speak of many things;
Of accidence and adjectives,
and names of Jewish Kings,
How many notes a sackbut has,
and whether shawms have strings"

Would I be wildly mistaken in thinking that the Chalumeau was the baroque descendant of the medieval shawm (schalme?) the name sounds like one of those French courtly pastoral adaptations, like the musette, but before somebody took the idea that extra step to develop the clarinet. Which in turn leads me to ask whether the similarity of sound between chalumeau and baroque trumpet has anything to do with the nomenclature of the clarinet / "clarion-et"?

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« Reply #21 on: 11:03:19, 15-02-2007 »

The name does indeed seem to be related to shawm/Schalmei - that's quite a different concept, being a relatively boisterous double-reed thing, although they're quite probably related in some way. Chalumeau is also the French term for a bagpipe chanter although again they're both boisterous and have a double reed. (And indeed a conical bore, which means that the note produced is roughly equivalent to that of a chalumeau half the length.)

The odd thing is that the French don't seem to have made any significant use of it. It does seem to have been domesticated by one or other of the Denners (instrument makers in Nuremberg who also developed the Baroque clarinet) although it doesn't seem possible to find out which. Most of the important solo and ensemble music is German/Austrian.

The clarino/clarinetto relationship is certainly real but mainly has to do with the similarity in sound between the Baroque trumpet and the Baroque clarinet. The clarinet was originally only used in the overblown register and stuck mainly to its home key - much like the trumpet in other words. The sounds are also strikingly similar, as you can hear in Veilhan's Molter recordings or on Christian Leitherer's CD (I posted links on this thread a while back). The English called the chalumeau 'mock trumpet' as well.

Although it's easy to see the clarinet as the chalumeau's successor it doesn't seem to have been the case. The instruments did appear on the scene more or less simultaneously and appear together in treatises - in Majer's Museum Musicum he puts the chalumeau with the flutes and the clarinet with the trumpets!

The booklet in Leitherer's CD is full of useful facts and conveniently the CD is full of lovely music...
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« Reply #22 on: 14:24:31, 15-02-2007 »

Returning to Autoharp's question: I think any approach to an instrument like this, now as in the 18th century, has to take into account its relatively limited "harmonic" repertoire. If one were to write consistently chromatically for it, let alone using smaller intervals, that consistency would be lost through the unavoidable irregularities of timbre and dynamic which would result, and the difficulty of getting the instrument to speak at all with some fingerings. So it probably has to be treated more as a "modal" instrument, perhaps looking not just at its usage by European Baroque composers, but also at the music played by various (as short or shorter) single-reed instruments which crop up occasionally in other musical traditions.
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« Reply #23 on: 23:02:15, 15-02-2007 »

Pretty much, I think. But it does depend. Wink The instrument I have has double holes for 3, 4, 6 and 7 which allow for reasonably stable chromatic notes. But they don't allow for playing scales with too many accidentals in them quickly. (I was having a bash through a Telemann F minor recorder sonata this evening - even I could get through most of the runs and I'm really a very clueless recorder player. Cross-fingers are simply easier to navigate and they sound amazingly good - Baines remarks in Woodwind Instruments and their History, which is probably the best general book on woodwinds that there is ever likely to be, that they "provide some of the best notes on the instrument and the best intonation".)

The slow movement of the Telemann double concerto has some quite extraordinary slow chromaticism though and thanks to the double holes it's quite stable. He knew what he was doing. He did play the thing after all.

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« Reply #24 on: 20:49:45, 28-03-2007 »

Oh my god.

I've just come back from Frankfurt. I played for far too long on the great-bass chalumeau and now I'm hooked.  Shocked

The tube is doubled back on itself like a tiny bassoon or a dulcian. It has a basic range two octaves below the lower instrument of the Telemann double concerto. That's extended down to the bassoon's bottom Bb with a couple of extra keys and a hole for the right thumb as well as a very clever double hole for the left thumb: one of the holes belongs to the upper part of the pipe and one to the very lowest part - in fact it's the hole for the lowest Bb. Effectively it's a Baroque bass clarinet. It seems to have been used as a continuo instrument. Guntram Wolf basically rediscovered it.

But how can I justify getting one?  Undecided
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« Reply #25 on: 20:59:17, 28-03-2007 »

You can play it. What else matters?
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« Reply #26 on: 21:06:34, 28-03-2007 »

Well, it's not cheap and as far as I can tell no one has ever written specifically for it.

Yet.
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« Reply #27 on: 21:33:27, 28-03-2007 »

Some baroque composer surely wrote for it. If there is an instrument then they write for it. Some times a piece can be played on several different instruments (in case one is not available). I think it is unique instrument and not many people can play on it. Someone is looking for a player somewhere.
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« Reply #28 on: 21:42:17, 28-03-2007 »

Rather than looking for pieces specifically written for the great bass chalumeau, might it be more fruitful to look for pieces that would allow the instrument to demonstrate its unique sonority? sometimes I wonder if we tend to forget that the instrument makes the music, and while the music can make the instrument, that is less likely. IMO.
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« Reply #29 on: 22:18:17, 28-03-2007 »

But how can I justify getting one?  Undecided

It's difficult to think of a better home for it. If I were a Great Bass Chalumeau sitting in a pet shop window hoping for somewhere to live and Mr Oliver Sudden happened to walked into the shop.....  It's not so much a matter of justifying it: I think on humanitarian grounds alone you owe it to the Great Bass Chalumeau to give it an interesting and productive life  Grin     
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