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« Reply #30 on: 22:43:07, 28-03-2007 » |
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Well, it's not cheap and as far as I can tell no one has ever written specifically for it.
Yet.
Surely it's only a matter of time with you playing it!
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« Reply #31 on: 23:45:19, 28-03-2007 » |
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I reckon it's just the sort of instrument to tempt Sir John Tavener.
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« Reply #32 on: 16:06:55, 29-03-2007 » |
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Well at least that's one thing Tavener and Barrett have in common. Apart from being male composers whose names don't begin with Q.
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« Reply #33 on: 22:24:08, 11-04-2007 » |
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WARNING - FOR ANORAKS ONLYI've been poking around in various places in search of chalumeau enlightenment. I won't post all the boring facts I've come across but I must note that the conclusions I had come to about double holes were quite erroneous. Quite a few replica chalumeaus have double holes for fingers 3, 4, 6 and 7 - not just the Moeck ones but the ones made by Guntram Wolf that Christian Leitherer plays as well as the ones pictured on Andreas Schöni's website. But none of the surviving historical chalumeaus have double holes anywhere but the lowest hole and some don't even have that. So Telemann's chromatic writing would appear indeed to have been a matter for cross-fingerings and perhaps some half-holing. Only seven instruments which are reasonably definitely chalumeaus have survived, by the way. They're listed in the first chapter of Albert Rice's excellent book The Baroque Clarinet along with a number of doubtful cases. The furthest I will take this thread into anorak-land is to note that Jacob Denner's invoices include only three sizes of chalumeau which he calls Primieur, Second/Alt and Chalimou-Basson. The difference in price between the second and third is rather large, which suggests that perhaps the third instrument isn't the instrument the size of a tenor recorder that's usually used in the recordings of the Graupner pieces involving three chalumeaus but something rather bigger. Perhaps indeed the Kress bassoon-shaped 'great-bass' chalumeau I mentioned a while back. Oh, and I've found a maker who does the Kress-model chalumeau for about half the price of the one I've played. I wonder if it's a good instrument? I think I'll have to find out.
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« Reply #34 on: 21:16:53, 31-07-2007 » |
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I was in Llandudno today. We've all seen people playing instruments in the street for money, especially the type who plays a tin whistle and has a dog by him with a piece of string for a lead. I saw one such man there today but I could only assume that he was playing a chalumeau. It was about the size of a descant recorder but it sounded like a clarinet, the low notes only (as they would sound on such a small instrument), and a limited range (unless that was just the way he was playing it, but I don't think so). Is it possible to buy cheap a chalumeau? I almost wondered whether it was oliver sudden himself, raising a bit of money in order to buy a replacement CD.
(There were also lots of posters advertising concerts to be given by male voice choirs. They seem to like them out there.)
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« Reply #36 on: 23:45:48, 31-07-2007 » |
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It's that last one, definitely! I'd never seen such a thing before and it seems to take a standard reed, which was another thing I'd been wondering about.
So it was you playing there then! I would have thrown 10p into the hat if I'd known. (Only kidding - about its being you, I mean - not the 10p, which I really would have given, the generous soul that I am!)
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« Reply #37 on: 09:43:38, 01-08-2007 » |
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I do have a xaphoon somewhere but I don't think it's in Europe, unfortunately. I think it's a tenor sax reed that it takes. The mouthpiece shape feels very odd if you're used to clarinet/saxophone since it doesn't taper off nearly as much.
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« Reply #38 on: 15:55:16, 01-08-2007 » |
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So it's a pocket saxophone, hence the unusual name xaphoon, which sounds to me more like a creature in a science-fiction novel. I'm surprised they aren't more common. I'm also surprised at how low they sound, compared with a soprano sax. http://xaphoon.com/
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« Reply #39 on: 16:41:30, 01-08-2007 » |
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In other news I met a clarinettist today who's selling his chalumeaus. Made by Peter van der Poel (the chalumeaus not the clarinettist). I'm a bit worried because he's also selling his Mozart basset and a pair of Lotzes, also by van der Poel, and perhaps a 3-key Baroque clarinet by Agnès Guéroult. This could turn out expensive. Tony, a chalumeau (or for that matter clarinet) sounds nearly an octave lower than a saxophone/recorder/flute of the same length. Cylindrical stopped-pipe acoustics, apparently...
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« Reply #40 on: 16:48:46, 01-08-2007 » |
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They're quite beautiful instruments. Other than Mozart's, Ollie, are there any other composers' music you'd use a basset clarinet to play?
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« Reply #41 on: 19:45:16, 01-08-2007 » |
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They are indeed gorgeous although that's not everything that counts of course... (and the blue sheet helps a lot ) That's indeed the thing with a Stadler basset: it's good for two pieces from the repertoire, and that's going to be something on my mind when I go to try the instruments on Friday. Even the basset clarinet part in Parto, parto is for a basset in Bb. But of course one of the good things about being in the new music racket is that you can always say yes, that's all the important music anyone's written for the instrument. Yet. (Of course one of the disadvantages of the new music racket is that you usually don't have much cash because when you see a tempting instrument the argument 'well, what's anyone written for it?' has no effect whatsoever. Sometimes it's even a stimulus.)
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« Reply #42 on: 21:16:13, 01-08-2007 » |
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Tony, a chalumeau (or for that matter clarinet) sounds nearly an octave lower than a saxophone/recorder/flute of the same length. Cylindrical stopped-pipe acoustics, apparently...
Rather surprising! I thought stopped pipes were supposed to sound an octave higher?
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« Reply #43 on: 21:25:31, 01-08-2007 » |
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It's true kitty (I mean, that they sound an octave lower): if you go down to 'shapes' here you'll see something on that phenomenon as it affects organs.
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« Reply #44 on: 11:42:30, 02-08-2007 » |
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Hmm the explanation given there is rather woolly, "In addition, the wind travels both up and down the body of the pipe, doubling the length of the column of sound; thus, a stopped pipe sounds an octave lower than an open pipe of the same length". What I was taught in A-level Physics is that with a pipe open at both ends you get (for the fundamental frequency) an anti-node of vibration at both ends (since the air is free to move as much as it likes), and hence a node of vibration half-way along the pipe (compare with a string where you get a node at each end, as the ends are fixed, and an anti-node in the middle as that is where the string is free to move), so the length of the pipe is half the wave-length of the tone produced. With a stopped pipe (only actually stopped at one end), you have a node at the stopped end (since the air can't go anywhere), and an anti-node at the unstopped end. Thus the length of the pipe is only a quarter of the wave length of the associated note, and hence this note has half the frequency of that produced by an unstopped pipe of the same length (and thus sounds an octave lower).
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