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« Reply #165 on: 12:40:39, 16-03-2008 »

Looking forward to getting back to the desk having cleared away the debris of the past week-amazing what escaping the day job office and crashing can accumulate. A song to complete, and a sort of cantata with a tape element, from a workshop last year to  just listened back . Living in an area where
the word 'musician' is equated with Robbie Williams etc, it's nice to have a spot to post about work in progress without having to dodge the tomatoes before putting pen to paper.
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« Reply #166 on: 21:38:02, 30-08-2008 »

Against my better judgement I'm inputting my latest score into Sibelius.
How did this happen. I thought it would look lovely copied out by hand but here I am.

Oh. I've just inputted the beginning and it looks lovely. If this is what my new music looks like then I love it.
Seriously, it looks hot.
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« Reply #167 on: 01:05:23, 31-08-2008 »

Oh. I've just inputted the beginning and it looks lovely. If this is what my new music looks like then I love it.
Seriously, it looks hot.
piccies?
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« Reply #168 on: 02:46:24, 31-08-2008 »

Against my better judgement I'm inputting my latest score into Sibelius.
How did this happen. I thought it would look lovely copied out by hand but here I am.

Oh. I've just inputted the beginning and it looks lovely. If this is what my new music looks like then I love it.
Seriously, it looks hot.

That's great! The primary sign of a great work, of course, is that it looks good on the page... Wink

But seriously, piccies would be great.


I'm currently creating a 'song' for soprano and piano based on various snippets of Hölderlin. Hopefully it'll be totally rad, but it's a bit too early to tell...  Embarrassed
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« Reply #169 on: 12:22:07, 31-08-2008 »

piccies?

In good time. It's not ready to leave the stable yet.

That's great! The primary sign of a great work, of course, is that it looks good on the page... Wink

Actually I have always believed that one of the tasks of a composer is to produce a satisfying aesthetic 'look' for the piece on a level with how it sounds... What I mean about the notation of this new piece, is that the way that it looks on the page expresses to me the way in which the piece actually sounds. And I think it's quite beautiful too.
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« Reply #170 on: 20:44:24, 31-08-2008 »

Actually I have always believed that one of the tasks of a composer is to produce a satisfying aesthetic 'look' for the piece on a level with how it sounds... What I mean about the notation of this new piece, is that the way that it looks on the page expresses to me the way in which the piece actually sounds. And I think it's quite beautiful too.

That's interesting.  How far would you go with the 'look' thing?  Would you endeavour to dictate how performers are arranged on stage so that the ensemble appears pleasing?  What about synchronising physical movements of the performers?  And how does this all (including score layout) affect the actual sound?  (If you feel limited does the visual give way to the aural?)

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« Reply #171 on: 23:14:43, 31-08-2008 »

That's interesting.  How far would you go with the 'look' thing?  Would you endeavour to dictate how performers are arranged on stage so that the ensemble appears pleasing?  What about synchronising physical movements of the performers?  And how does this all (including score layout) affect the actual sound?  (If you feel limited does the visual give way to the aural?)

The actual layout of the performers, unless I'm dealing with a musical theatre piece (which I haven't yet) doesn't really interest me. If the physical placement made a difference to the way that the music sounds, then I would want to spend a considerable amount of time at the venue trying things out, otherwise I'm not bothered. In terms of synchronising physical movements of performers, there are some occasions where that's a nice thing to do in order to convey the particular 'imagery' around the piece (I keep on using the phrase 'cloud of ideas' but I'm not sure if it's at all helpful) - a good example is what Stockhausen does with the strings in Trans. At the end of the day, what really interests me is the sound of the thing. My notation should express the way it sounds (or at least help the performer get closer to that).
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« Reply #172 on: 01:53:59, 01-09-2008 »

My notation should express the way it sounds (or at least help the performer get closer to that).

I'd pretty much agree with that. Incidentally, one of the big reasons why I don't use Finelius or Sibale is that I find it has a certain 'standardising' effect on the presentation which I think makes my music look less like it sounds than my handwritten scores. That said, though, the practical difficulties in editing a handwritten score mean that I'm rather ripe for conversion, should something come along that appears as if I'd be able to get a pleasing result without it taking longer than doing it by hand.
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« Reply #173 on: 09:19:43, 01-09-2008 »

Thanks hh and RD.

I get the idea now.  Beauty in the score's appearance is not for its own sake (which lead me to the other suggestions I made), but more as a mechanism for getting the performers heads into the right place.

Ta

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« Reply #174 on: 13:56:47, 07-09-2008 »

I said a couple of days ago I'd finished the score of this piano/cello/electronics piece I've been working on, but I omitted to mention that the electronic component remains to be done. It doesn't really need to be finished until the day rehearsals start seven weeks from now, given that it consists of a sequence of fifteen "movements" which alternate and overlap with the fifteen instrumental "movements", and as long as the person behind the mixer (ie. me) starts and stops them at the right time there isn't anything for the players to worry about, but I made a start on these materials yesterday because I had been getting worried about how I was going to do it.

This brought up an issue about composition which I think is often misunderstood, even among composers, though it's probably more a semantic issue than anything else. Some composers say they write "what they hear". Does this idea bear close scrutiny? I would prefer to put it in terms of writing what one has never heard but wants to hear. (I think Stravinsky may have expressed himself to that effect at some point, maybe someone knows chapter and verse on this.)

Anyway, in this case I had a clear idea of "how the music should sound", almost like a visual image of the sounds, but had very little idea either of "what exactly it should sound like" or how to get to that point. The problem with electronic music is that it's so much more literal than notation - it isn't subject to interpretation, can't rely on life being breathed into it by the humanity of the performers, can't be refined through rehearsal ("make that slightly quieter/faster/more extreme" etc.) it's just there, and composing it relies on the acuity of the "outer ear" as much as if not more than on that of the "inner" one. What I do at moments like that is to start with something and see where it leads, either to what I originally had in mind or (preferably) to something more interesting. By 2am or so I had stumbled on it, without really realising I had until this morning (sitting up into the night with headphones on isn't necessarily helpful to the critical faculties but sometimes it's best to suspend those so as to keep an open mind for the directions one's searches might take), after which a couple of small adjustments resulted in one of the electronic "movements" now being ready. Which of course has implications for all the others, now that the "tone of voice" has been established.

Interested parties might like to know that the principal program used for generating this particular material was Cecilia, which is available as a free download for all platforms, and which I'd had a cursory look at (an earlier version of) ages ago, but was reminded of recently by its having been mentioned in passing in an article by Robert Worby - thanks Robert if you're reading this.

25 years ago it would have taken days of processing time and the kind of hardware only available in well-funded educational, broadcasting or research institutions to do what I managed to do yesterday evening at home with a laptop, sound interface, external HD and largely free software (plus Pro Tools for editing and Ableton Live as an Audio Units host application). Compare this with the increasing dearth of opportunities for composers to write orchestral music these days.
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« Reply #175 on: 14:18:56, 07-09-2008 »

Stravinsky in Á Propos Le Sacre (the spoken note originally coupled with his last commercial recording) states (in the most deliciously accented manner, as I've mentioned before) "....I heard, and I wrote what I heard: I was the vessel through which Le Sacre passed." (Though transliterated it's more like "....Aye chyurd, ant Aye rot vot Aye chyurd: Aye vos the vaysełłe sru veech Le Sacre passt.")
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« Reply #176 on: 14:23:16, 07-09-2008 »

This brought up an issue about composition which I think is often misunderstood, even among composers, though it's probably more a semantic issue than anything else. Some composers say they write "what they hear". Does this idea bear close scrutiny? I would prefer to put it in terms of writing what one has never heard but wants to hear. (I think Stravinsky may have expressed himself to that effect at some point, maybe someone knows chapter and verse on this.)
Stravinsky in Á Propos Le Sacre (the spoken note originally coupled with his last commercial recording) states (in the most deliciously accented manner, as I've mentioned before) "....I heard, and I wrote what I heard: I was the vessel through which Le Sacre passed."
He also said somewhere else something about believing that an idea is best retained in the notational form in which it first occurred to the composer, which may be closer to what Richard has in mind. Although I suspect Richard may be conflating one or other of these statements with Elliott Carter's comment that he writes the music he would like to hear himself?
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« Reply #177 on: 14:24:20, 07-09-2008 »

Stravinsky in Á Propos Le Sacre (the spoken note originally coupled with his last commercial recording) states (in the most deliciously accented manner, as I've mentioned before) "....I heard, and I wrote what I heard: I was the vessel through which Le Sacre passed." (Though transliterated it's more like "....Aye chyurd, ant Aye rot vot Aye chyurd: Aye vos the vaysełłe sru veech Le Sacre passt.")

Yes, I remember that one but the dictum I was thinking of came from somewhere else which I can't put my finger on. It wasn't Carter, though I suppose it might just not be Stravinsky either...
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« Reply #178 on: 21:59:43, 07-09-2008 »

I've tried on several occasions to get my head around Csound, but haven't gotten anywhere with it really :/

(Just got the final release of a game I've been working on for the past couple of weeks out.  *phew* )
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« Reply #179 on: 22:21:26, 07-09-2008 »

I've tried on several occasions to get my head around Csound, but haven't gotten anywhere with it really :/

Me too. Cecilia is, as you'll know, basically a (vaguely) user-friendly interface for Csound. It does have the annoying feature of not letting you know what it's doing when you set up your parameters and press "play" - usually it takes a couple of seconds to think before beginning to play back, sometimes longer, and sometimes in fact longer than my patience lasts, because there's no way of knowing whether you're about to hear something or whether it's gone out for a walk and "may be gone some time".

What's this game of yours then? Are we allowed to see it?
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