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« Reply #195 on: 17:09:49, 15-09-2008 »

Oh. I've just inputted the beginning and it looks lovely. If this is what my new music looks like then I love it.
Seriously, it looks hot.
piccies?



cotitsalv

This is the first page.
It's not quite all there yet but it's going to have to do for now.
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« Reply #196 on: 17:12:34, 15-09-2008 »

Thanks HH -- did you want to remain anonymous on these boards, by the way?

And it's a lovely idea to make a tribute to Elliott Carter. You ought to send it to'er when you've done with it!
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« Reply #197 on: 17:17:56, 15-09-2008 »

Thanks, hh. It's a pity I can't get any resolution between the pic on this forum page (which has alternate staves missing in my browser for some peculiar reason) and the VERY BIG one on the cotitsalv link ... But I can cope!

What sort of articulation do you intend when a (presumably) legato note is directly followed by a staccato note of the same pitch within a slurred phrase?
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« Reply #198 on: 17:26:42, 15-09-2008 »

Thanks HH -- did you want to remain anonymous on these boards, by the way?

Oh elbow-skin-billiard-ball-bag.
Right. Just corrected it so at least it doesn't have my name on it. Might go further and get rid of the title too...

And it's a lovely idea to make a tribute to Elliott Carter. You ought to send it to'er when you've done with it!

I'll try to do that. And I should be able to enclose a recording too.

Thanks, hh. It's a pity I can't get any resolution between the pic on this forum page (which has alternate staves missing in my browser for some peculiar reason) and the VERY BIG one on the cotitsalv link ... But I can cope!

What sort of articulation do you intend when a (presumably) legato note is directly followed by a staccato note of the same pitch within a slurred phrase?

Funny. I can see the image fine on the page and my cotitsalv image is smaller...
As for the legato/staccato notes I want a very light articulation on the second note. I originally just left it with no articulation other than the slur but the player didn't articulate it at all. I think I'm just going to lose the staccato.
Thanks. It's got to the stage with this score where I just want rid of it and I'll make it pretty later.
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« Reply #199 on: 17:29:08, 15-09-2008 »

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And don't ye fergit it!
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« Reply #200 on: 22:06:41, 16-09-2008 »

Nice one hh- notionally I think you'vecaught something of the elan of a good player warming up-I don't mean it looks random , but rather idiomatic and natural.
Having got a green light from the soloist I started sketching a double-bass concertante thing today. Having not had time to sort out software it'll be han-written again which in my caserequires forensic concentration come the final draft. it'll be in mem Vernon Handley.
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« Reply #201 on: 01:17:00, 11-10-2008 »

That is indeed a strange tune, Mr Harmony. I've only just seen it. How did you arrive at those pitches, may I ask?

When writing for brass instruments I distinguish "unmuted (or unstopped)" from "no valves depressed" by using o and ø respectively.

This evening I finally finished the electronic soundfiles for the cello/piano piece whose score was finished a little while ago. That's almost 14 minutes of stuff altogether, in the form of fifteen "moments" which have almost no audible connection either with one another or with the instrumental "movements" they overlap and alternate with. Now all that remains is to write a little program in MaxMSP which will enable me to trigger (and stop) them from the keys of the laptop. I was originally going to use a keyboard but then it occurred to me that might draw some people's attention away from the instrumentalists when I won't actually be playing, just switching things on and off.
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« Reply #202 on: 10:34:04, 11-10-2008 »

That is indeed a strange tune, Mr Harmony. I've only just seen it. How did you arrive at those pitches, may I ask?

The first movement treats the name ELLIOTT CARTER by interpreting it using my peculiar transliteration method. There's also a series of transpositions going on but I can't remember how that works...
Registration is freely composed as are dynamics.

For the second movement, I wrote four parameters separately (fingering, harmonic, air flow (on/off), and stopping) which were determined by a number sequence derived from the number sequences 5-12-12-9-15-20-20 and 3-1-18-20-5-18 (doesn't really matter how that works, but suffice it to say that I used base 7 for the fingering [so 18 becomes IV for example), and these numbers also control the rhythms (but not directly - the rhythms that are written are an approximation of the durations).
It sounds very dry and automatic, but it took me a lot of work before I arrived at the approach that actually worked.
Dynamics are basically pp[/b] throughout but when there are repeated notes I wanted to distinguish them by steps up in dynamics. There are no diminuendi or crescendi in the score.

The third movement is four times the length of the first one. It basically takes the music of the first movement and repeats it four times, each time deleting more and more.

When writing for brass instruments I distinguish "unmuted (or unstopped)" from "no valves depressed" by using o and ø respectively.

I was worried about that (especially looking at the handwritten score!), but when I started to input it into Sibelius I feel that the distinction is very clear. My horn player agreed. The main problem came with notating the half-stopping, and fractions thereof. I think I've solved it now though.

This evening I finally finished the electronic soundfiles for the cello/piano piece whose score was finished a little while ago. That's almost 14 minutes of stuff altogether, in the form of fifteen "moments" which have almost no audible connection either with one another or with the instrumental "movements" they overlap and alternate with. Now all that remains is to write a little program in MaxMSP which will enable me to trigger (and stop) them from the keys of the laptop. I was originally going to use a keyboard but then it occurred to me that might draw some people's attention away from the instrumentalists when I won't actually be playing, just switching things on and off.

You could also use a little Max object which would allow it to be controlled by footpedal so that the performers could control it too?
Good to know it's done now. What is the relationship between the live and pre-recorded material?
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« Reply #203 on: 13:53:22, 11-10-2008 »

Thanks for that info. What's often underestimated is the amount of effort and imagination which goes into choosing systematic generative processes which give the results you're looking for, or, more precisely, which give those results as a particular case of opening up a world of possibilities which will include unexpected ones too. Whether something is "dry" or not of course doesn't depend at all on how intuitively or deterministically it was composed, which I find a fascinating phenomenon.

You could also use a little Max object which would allow it to be controlled by footpedal so that the performers could control it too?
Good to know it's done now. What is the relationship between the live and pre-recorded material?

I might use the footpedal option later on, but for now I'm not really sure how much fader action is also going to be required by whoever takes care of the electronics, and since I'll be there anyway I might as well let the performers concentrate on playing their instruments for the first couple of performances.

As I said before, there's hardly any audible relationship between instruments and electronics (or between the different electronic entries). Two of the fifteen soundfiles anticipate and recall the central pitch of the following and preceding instrumental movements respectively. Some of them are audibly derived from cello or piano sounds, but most aren't. One of them is referential in that it uses a recording of the Schubert song "Nacht und Träume" which is the source of most of the instrumental material. The electronic sounds will be played back mostly somewhat more quietly than the sound of the instruments (which also more often than not play quietly). I've been thinking of them as different ways of articulating the "silences" between the movements. They are all raw unedited outputs from the processes I used to generate them, though, as with your pitches and durations, much effort went into choosing the right parameters so that what came out was (or included) what I was after (or improved on what I thought I was after).
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« Reply #204 on: 14:58:08, 11-10-2008 »

I've just got to the stage in the piano piece I'm writing where I've suddenly realised I've been going about it in the wrong way.
I'm going to have to start again...
I suppose it's necessary to the whole enterprise, and that I wouldn't have found the better way forward had I not spent too many hours on this way.
It's called (btw) Even More Geese.
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« Reply #205 on: 11:40:59, 16-10-2008 »

Hm. I just wrote the aforementioned program in about an hour and it appears to work. This makes me approximately 100% certain that I've done something stupid somewhere which will cause it not to work as soon as an audience is present.
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« Reply #206 on: 19:14:31, 16-10-2008 »

Hm. I just wrote the aforementioned program in about an hour and it appears to work.
Which aforementioned program? The footpedal one?

CC the completion of a mixed quartet whose first 1/3 has been lying dormant/doormat since 2005. To be premiered in January 2009 it Stutter-guard.
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« Reply #207 on: 20:14:07, 16-10-2008 »

Hm. I just wrote the aforementioned program in about an hour and it appears to work.
Which aforementioned program? The footpedal one?

Indeed. Although it still isn't a footpedal one, it's a spacebar one. However it will be a simple matter to convert it when the time comes. I thought I'd play the soundfiles to one of my students this afternoon, and, sure enough, running them from said patch, I discovered one or two stupid mistakes I'd made in the programming, which gave me quite a feeling of relief.

Good luck with the doormat.


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« Reply #208 on: 01:24:50, 18-10-2008 »

... and which I have now sorted out. I think.

So I shifted my attention this morning to investigating the recording of the concert I played in Munich in July with the electric guitar players Gunnar Geisse, Harald Lillmayer and Adrian Pereyra. Having mixed it properly (from six channels of direct input and five microphones) and edited it down from 75 minutes to 63, I am feeling it's a suitable candidate for CD release, assuming a sufficiently non-profit-oriented label might be interested... anyway, it's a pleasing result. So I think that will be all for today.
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« Reply #209 on: 13:39:34, 18-10-2008 »

I've just realised I have a swarm of impending deadlines...
Good deadlines, but still slightly threatening nonetheless.

The nice thing about composition at the moment is that all of my current projects are for actual performers, and actual performances. I'm not writing for the drawer. I've got three performances coming up in the next two months (hopefully), one for 'live' electronics (it'll be a work programmed into Max/MSP, and performed on that just for ease of time, but later recorded into a definitive version), a companion piece for my recently premiered ensemble work written for students, and a new piano piece. I'm quite psyched up by all three works (though I have no idea what I'm going to do with the electronics yet - something to do with Tristan und Isolde probably...) and really looking forward to working with the musicians.
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