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Try the finale of the Third Symphony (which is actually composed of four sections, slow-fast-slow-fast), or Songs for Dov.
Thanks time_is_now! (And I'm quite chuffed as last week I bought a boxed set (LPs) of the Tippett symphonies and hadn't got round to them yet. Serendipity!)  |
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« Reply #46 on: 15:31:35, 24-08-2007 » |
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Try some Tippett for inspiration Aah, polyphony! |
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« Reply #48 on: 23:38:44, 24-08-2007 » |
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Sorry to bump this, but it may have been overlooked and I'd love some people to give tips Could you specify exactly what you'd like to do? Transposing audio by particular intervals is something that can be done a number of different ways, some better suited for certain applications (i.e. real-time? pre-processed?) than others. Granular synthesis is a big area, and you may not need to go very far into it to get the results you want. Have you tried any of the Max tutorial patches that involve real-time FFT? I think there might be one or two that transpose samples or real-time input; if there are, getting just the interval you want might be a matter of control in Max rather than MSP jiggery-pokery too far beyond the scope of the tutorial. Then again, Max may not even be the best package to use. I have ways of using gran synth to make pitches out of relatively noisy material, and I'd like to take the grainy results and transpose them en masse. Thus transposition without granulation (even though the two may be separable processes) is not necessarily of interest to me. But I will check out the Max stuff. I am not seeking an interactive experience anyway, so perhaps I can do without the MSP portion. Thanks for the tip, Colin d'Anacapri! |
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Hi the Chafe!  Comrad Colin (aka "new face in hell") is certainly right concerning issues of grain therapy, everything depends upon what sound you want to granulate, sample size also tends to make a nice difference, especially if you can get down to smaller than a millisecond. I've piddled about with PD, for which there exist a number of patches for free, but if you're operating maxmsp, one to try for free software & documentation is: www.nathanwolek.comhe also figures on cycling 74's own website: www.cycling74.com/forums/index.php?id=2697&rid=0&t=usrinfo (tentative voice): this might help: musictechnology.northwestern.edu/~gary/papers/wolek_smpc2003.pdf (with more aplomb): ...but in general you have to install his granular toolkit first, monsieur Wolek provides a bit of useful text PLUS the text entitled updates. Good luck in getting that to work, it's been a while since I viewed that, I can't remember if it was with this patch where you couldn't reduce the sample too much or whether it was with the patch I ripped from the PD site  , sorry can't remember. Colinho & perhaps Mr.Barrett, just curious, have you tried this patch out here asidled is another freebee site, don't know if it is of any use, or is interesting to other composers/electronic music freaks/both, but can paste all the same if in case as yet unknown: destroyfx.smartelectronix.com sunny greetings to all, and get back to work! dc |
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« Reply #50 on: 12:49:50, 25-08-2007 » |
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again ! curious to know if anyone has succeeded in doonloading Curtis Roads' program CG (CloudGenerator and PulsarGenerator), It simply won't open in MacOSX, I think it's only compatible with OS8 or 9. He talks about the whole issue at length in his book Microsound. Can be found on: http://clang.mat.ucsb.edu/CLANG-TINT/publications%20and%20software.html |
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Nathan Wolek's MaxMSP objects are wonderful to behold, and one of them (grain.bang) is at the centre of the patch which Patrick Delges wrote for my piece for cello and electronics, Blattwerk (I don't have the patience to learn how to write patches as complicated as that, but then that goes for making cellos too). I've also used destroyfx's "transverb" patch to generate material. It's fairly limited but one of those things which sometimes yields unpredictable but interesting results. I have also just a few minutes ago finished the last quarter or so of a piece for solo flute (the first three-quarters aren't yet finished though), having temporarily put aside larger things during the current housemoving-and-aftermath phase. Actually I haven't really finished it as such because I have yet to work out how to transcribe the rough version into the fair copy, which will require some new kind of tablature. Anyway I think I deserve some lunch now. I knew there was a reason why I keep old machines sitting around running OS8 and 9. However, I'm getting a "Not Found" from the link to CloudGenerator. |
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« Reply #52 on: 13:17:34, 25-08-2007 » |
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I knew there was a reason why I keep old machines sitting around running OS8 and 9. However, I'm getting a "Not Found" from the link to CloudGenerator. Cheers Richard, I should re-research the Wolek patchers. Yep "Not Found" is exactly what I got as well. I wonder if anyone on here has any kind of meaningful contact with Curtis Roads, who could perhaps broach the issue of his software not opening?? I know someone who does concerts with him fairly regularly, to ask, just have to wait until he comes back from Singapore. Running Classic on my OSX is of no use either. Lunchtime beckons  |
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« Reply #53 on: 14:47:23, 25-08-2007 » |
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I have ways of using gran synth to make pitches out of relatively noisy material, and I'd like to take the grainy results and transpose them en masse. Thus transposition without granulation (even though the two may be separable processes) is not necessarily of interest to me. But I will check out the Max stuff. I am not seeking an interactive experience anyway, so perhaps I can do without the MSP portion. Thanks for the tip, Colin d'Anacapri!
No problem. If you're eager to get your hands dirty right off the bat, here's what I'd suggest: 1. Make a "mock-up" sound file of your "pitches from noise" material. If you're working with a Max patch, this will take one or two very minor modifications to the patch; a tutorial involving sfrecord~, an object you could use for this, ought to be available for you to pillage. 2. There's a free piece of software called SoundHack ( http://www.soundhack.com/) that can, in addition to all manner of helpful utility-type things, perform phase-vocoding voodoo and transpose material in either direction. The parameters (windowing, etc.) can be tweaked to get the best results at your leisure. Ultimately, SoundHack may not be the best way to go (although, for all I know, it may), but at the very least it'll supply a short-term solution so you can move ahead on the piece with some idea of what the electronics will sound like. Good luck, and please don't hesitate to keep us posted–it sounds like neat stuff. Thanks also to dc for the always-welcome Fall reference. By the way, I have my first lesson with a former teacher of yours (in Birmingham, I believe) next week - any suggestions/warnings? |
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Nathan Wolek's MaxMSP objects are wonderful to behold Thanks to Richard and dc as well -- while the Wolek material looks promising, his Granular package is taking a very long time to download. I just tried dling something in parallel which took no time at all, so it isn't my internet connection. I wonder if anyone else has the same problems. Colin -- I'll look at soundhack too, although I am very phobic about voodoo.  |
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Just re-tried Mr Wolek -- it's working, no problem. Miss Emily Litella: "Oohh, that's very different... Never mind!"  |
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...Do any composers here have experience with granular synthesis? What is the best platform on which to work in such a medium?...
An important question for sure. I have generally found that for the best synthesis it is important to add exactly the right amount of water. With regard to the platform, I have found it best to place this far enough away from the wheelbarrow so as to ensure that (after filling the hawk) one is at least safe after falling off it not to fall in it. Baz |
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Why granular synthesis?
I have friends who get all excited and boggly eyed every time they talk about it, but it all gets far too technical far too quickly. It's a real gap in my knowledge I fear.
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Why granular synthesis?
I have friends who get all excited and boggly eyed every time they talk about it, but it all gets far too technical far too quickly. It's a real gap in my knowledge I fear.
Me too HH - perhaps we should go back to school, or just start... HEREBaz |
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« Reply #59 on: 18:33:46, 16-09-2007 » |
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Well this isn't strictly speaking 'Currently Creating', it's 'Currently Editing'.
I'm just force-feeding my computer with the last movement of Lovesongs and I've just got to the mother of all complex sections. I'll be fine in a minute once I've gathered my nerve but in the meantime,
WHY DO I WRITE SUCH £%^(@*&£^%(£&@$ COMPLICATED MUSIC?
Oh, that's better. I might even put a page of it up when this section's finished.
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