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Question: What concert dress do you think would be most suitable for a concert of C14th & C15th secular art-song? (Machaut, Dufay, Binchois etc)
Dinner Jackets & Black Bow Tie / Concert Black Dress
"Neutral" modern clothes (ie black crew-neck shirts + trousers)
"colourful" modern clothing
medieval costumes (subject to reasonable restraint...)
something else (please suggest what...)

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Reiner Torheit
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« on: 23:49:06, 04-08-2007 »

This question is actually based on a decision currently being weighed-up, so your input isn't merely hypothetical Smiley

What clothing would you most prefer an ensemble playing C14-15th secular music to wear on-stage?

My own view is that I don't like "dinner-jacket" anyhow... to what dinner were the musicians invited anyhow?  And for music from five centuries before dinner-jackets came into fashion, it seems purposeless to wear them.  Other people believe that in the modern concert-hall dinner-jackets are the clothes which least distract from the music itself.

Or would you expect the performers to be in medieval period clothes?  (I ought to stress that the material in the concert is primarily art-songs, and not rumbustious tavern numbers).
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« Reply #1 on: 23:53:41, 04-08-2007 »

Whilst also not being very keen on dinner jackets, medieval dress can easily end up looking a bit ridiculous (and presumably doesn't involve medieval hair-styles, standards of hygiene and the like) - if I were going to watch, I'd most like something smart but which doesn't draw too much attention to itself.
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« Reply #2 on: 00:03:26, 05-08-2007 »

Something not too formal, but with a hint of the past in it, maybe: collarless blouson-type shirts, for example: not too bright in colour. Where's the music from, by the way?
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« Reply #3 on: 00:15:37, 05-08-2007 »

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medieval dress can easily end up looking a bit ridiculous

Agreed there, Ian.  Or even more than a bit ridiculous....  Entirely fair point about the hairstyles too Smiley

The music is mostly Burgundian, Ron, although the composers involved travelled widely.
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« Reply #4 on: 00:31:57, 05-08-2007 »

I would try to aim for an appearance that is modern and suggests the social background of the musicians, and would be appropriate for the venue and audience for whom they are performing.
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« Reply #5 on: 00:48:11, 05-08-2007 »

Going by Proms concerts this year, you can't go wrong with black, even if you do look like one of the backstage helpers. Black trousers, black shirt and maybe a black jacket (black shoes and socks too, no doubt).
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« Reply #6 on: 01:42:16, 05-08-2007 »

We could experiment with painting the fidel, rota, recorder etc black too Wink

Thank you all for the suggestions, which are immensely valuable and will be put into practice Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: 08:10:17, 05-08-2007 »

The music is mostly Burgundian, Ron, although the composers involved travelled widely.
Burgundy's an OK colour on stage... Wink

If not I already have a couple of black recorders so that would save painting time? Don't have any burgundy ones though...
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« Reply #8 on: 10:33:50, 05-08-2007 »

My own view is that I don't like "dinner-jacket" anyhow... to what dinner were the musicians invited anyhow?  And for music from five centuries before dinner-jackets came into fashion, it seems purposeless to wear them. 

Reiner, by the same token so would "black crew-neck shirts + trousers" eh?

Personnally I prefer black or dark clothing which least detracts one's attention and you can see the instruments, and the playing, better too.

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« Reply #9 on: 10:48:53, 05-08-2007 »

ooh I didn't know you could do polls!  I feel there is a lot of potential to this.

Although I have never attended a medieval music perf I'm inclined to go for "grey" modern clothing.
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« Reply #10 on: 10:50:07, 05-08-2007 »

Not strictly relevant, but

http://www.tattooband.co.uk/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=28&page=view&catid=5&key=196&hit=1

In this case the attire was necessary to distract from the noise of the fanfare trumpets.

We got changed again before launching into the rumbustious tavern numbers.

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« Reply #11 on: 10:58:07, 05-08-2007 »

Black recorders, eh, Ollie?  All very minimalist, I'm sure - are they in some kind of Phillipe Starck design? Smiley  BTW In addition to the crwth and a vielle, I finally picked-up one of those Mollenhauer "Ganassi" type recorders whilst in London...  blows very nicely, completely different to a baroque instrument.

Those heraldic costumes are truly extraordinary, NB!   You will have the producers of "Spamalot" begging you to appear now Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: 11:05:24, 05-08-2007 »

Black recorders, eh, Ollie?  All very minimalist, I'm sure - are they in some kind of Phillipe Starck design? Smiley
No, I just seem to have a thing about grenadilla for some reason... so my garklein, sopranino and treble are all made of it. (Küng, Moeck Rottenburgh, Mollenhauer Denner in that order, all at 440.) Not a deliberate strategy, just the ones that felt best to play when I went shopping...

I didn't know Mollenhauer made a Ganassi model - is it called that or does it go by another name?
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« Reply #13 on: 13:51:51, 05-08-2007 »

What I've found so far:
Mollenhauer, no longer in production
Racheal Cogan (anybody you know?)
and
Jacqueline Sorel

Oh for a muse of money, that would ascend the brightest heaven, raining pound coins as she went. Embarrassed

(not that a bit more talent would come amiss either)

BTW Herr Torheit, it would be interesting to know what you finally "go with". Pic even?
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« Reply #14 on: 14:23:29, 05-08-2007 »


Goodness me! Yes, we were at the VCA in Melbourne at the same time.

She doesn't actually make her recorders though: they're made by this chap.

I see Jacqueline Sorel has one in stock at the moment. She really does have one of my favourite web sites.
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