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Author Topic: What does Well-Tempered mean anyway?  (Read 2391 times)
oliver sudden
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« on: 09:26:52, 27-10-2007 »

A mention of Richard Egarr's new recording of the Well-Tempered Clavier has sparked off a discussion as to what Well-Tempered actually means. That recording uses the tuning system proposed by Bradley Lehman, details of which (including plenty of examples accessible to the lay reader - er, like me Smiley) can be found at www.larips.com.

Lehman makes the following musical points about what he sees as necessary for a tuning system in Bach. I know at least one of our number has something to say about them and I'm sure there's at least enough here for a thread!

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This tuning method is based on straightforward principles (among the additional historical material as presented in the Oxford paper):

    * Axiomatically (& historically), no major 3rd should be smaller than C:E. Some others might be similar or the same, but none smaller.
    * Axiomatically (& historically), at least the natural 5ths from C-G-D-A-E should all be of consistent size geometrically...i.e. from the core of "regular" (aka meantone) tempering practice, with ordinaire types of adjustments outside that core. With those regular 5ths, what's good for violins/violas/cellos/violas da gamba on the open strings is good for music: gentle and consistent tempering of the naturals. (And Bach himself was a string player; what might he do as normal practice on those instruments?)
    * Axiomatically (& historically), the C major scale is the natural center of harmony, and the one that should be most regular melodically...again from meantone practice.
    * Axiomatically (& historically), there cannot be any noticeably bad 5ths/4ths anywhere; all major and minor triads have to be usable.
    * Axiomatically (& historically), if the major 3rds in a temperament are changing sizes, it has to be gradual and sound steady when we modulate normally around the circle of 5ths. The easiest test is to play major triads all the way around in both directions, like dominant or subdominant progressions. No major 3rd should be grossly different from the ones immediately on either side of it, in root motions by 5ths.
    * Premise: the whole WTC is playable (and to be played) in a single temperament without stopping to retune any notes between pieces. A good solution makes everything playable and sufficiently interesting as well. On fretted clavichords and organs, retempering between pieces is out of the question anyway.
    * Practical observation (from experimentation and from historical models): it works well to have E:G# smaller than or equal to Ab:C, not vice versa, because Ab is closer to C than G# is (C-F-Bb-Eb-Ab, vs C-G-D-A-E-B-F#-C#-G#). The closer we are to the home key of C major, the less tempered out of regularity we should be.
    * Practical observation: it works well to have F to Bb slightly wider than a pure 5th (as in Italian/French ordinaire practice), yielding a decent major 3rd on F#:A#; the cost to Bb situations is much less than the gain in A# situations, both melodically and in dominant harmonies.
    * Practical observation: the major 3rd C#:E# must be rather good, as Bach audaciously started the C# major prelude with an open exposed occurrence; likewise plenty of G#:B#. Also on the subject of Db:F, this interval is very important to music in the frequently used keys of C minor, F minor, and Eb major, among others; it just doesn't do to have this interval be nasty or obtrusive. Music (such as Bach's F minor prelude/fugue of WTC 1, or the Eb major or the Bb minor p/f, or the much later F major Duetto BWV 803) develops suddenly intrusive bumpiness on the occurrences of Ab:C and Db:F, in temperaments like Werckmeister 3 where those major 3rds are the widest.
    * Practical observation: the major 3rd B:D# must also be very good, for straightforward use in E minor and A minor.
    * Practical observation: if an organ is tempered with the WTC's temperament (in at least one or more accompanimental ranks, if not the whole instrument), it also has to handle the Chorton/Cammerton transposing continuo parts for the compositions that were written that way, playing the continuo in its originally notated keys; and this affects the overall sound of the ensemble.
    * Premise: Bach was clever enough (and musically enterprising enough) to have understood all this and made full use of it before writing his music, treating temperament issues as a musical virtue rather than an unwelcome liability. The tuning style perhaps affected his creative imagination, symbiotically, as to the types of themes and harmonic adventures that made their way into his music; and they only pop back out most clearly if we can re-create the same or similar tuning balance to hear those effects directly. Set up the same conditions he likely had at home or in his office, during the compositional process, to hear how its sound can influence improvisation and composition.
    * Practical observation: the best way to test all this is to play the music directly. The compositions themselves tell us more than any paper argumentation does, in their sound.
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« Reply #1 on: 10:15:58, 27-10-2007 »

"well-tempered" =  "sufficiently good-natured to avoid the intervention of the moderators" (Oxford Clever Dicktionary)  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 10:49:13, 27-10-2007 »

Regrettably Tovey in the introduction to his edition of these pieces seems to be silent upon the question of tuning, probably because he was working exclusively with the piano. Two points though he does make may be relevant here:

1) Accidentals in Bach's notation lasted only for a single note, or for its immediate repetition in the same part. Additionally, a single sharp or flat applied to a note already so inflected in the key signature is in fact indicating a double sharp or double flat. Hence a great many misreadings even to-day.

2) And Tovey's useful advice for the correct phrasing of Bach's lines is to sing them and find out what happens without effort.

Our own observation is that in Bach it is always just as or even more important to get right the harmonies - the vertical combinations - than to think too much about the keys and intonation of individual lines of melody.

The New Grove has a sound and indeed excellent article on Bach's intentions procedures and expectations, under the heading "well-tempered clavier."
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« Reply #3 on: 12:54:41, 27-10-2007 »

On this thread, I have removed the hair net (which can be replaced for other, more suitable threads) to reveal my alter ego.

"Well-Tempered" means, simply, "finely-tuned". What is deemed to be "fine" though connects with history, anthropology, ethnicity and tradition. In some exotic places instruments are "well tempered" when an octave is divided into seven equal tones. In contemporary Western taste, a piano is "well tempered" when an octave is comprised of 12 equal semitones. In ancient Greece, various differing views pertained for "fine attunement": Pythagoras extolled the perfection of 4ths, 5ths and octaves; Ptolemy proposed "fine tuning" through the proliferation of perfect 3rds and 6ths (in addition to the 4ths, 5ths and octaves of Pythagoras). Salinas provided detailed models for the "fine tuning" of fretted instruments (i.e. lutes and viols) in the 16th c that equalized the magnitude of the otherwise differing values of the semitone. String players (even up to today) carefully tune their open strings to pure (=Pythagorean) 5ths - even though the resulting intervals disagree with the notes of an equally-tempered piano. [They prefer to avoid using open strings so as - inter alia - to conceal the mismatch.] Brass players used to regard "fine tuning" as a means of accurately playing notes of the natural harmonic series, but in later times resorted to valves in order to extend this finesse. So "Well-Temperament" has to be understood not as a pragmatic "norm", but only as a "relative deduction" (i.e. relative to time, place, purpose, taste, tradition, and ethnicity). Each example is, within its own context, carefully adjudged (by its own standards) to be "Well-Tempered". BUT...

What concerns this thread is more specific: what did Bach and his contemporaries understand by the term "Well-Tempered", and how did this affect the music they composed and performed?.

In this context, I shall be contributing a number of postings to this thread. Each will take time to piece together, and I apologize if their sudden appearance in the event may seem out of place with the contributions of others. This will not be intended.
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« Reply #4 on: 13:41:37, 27-10-2007 »

By 'eck, lass, it's amazing what y'can pick up over a glass of Sanatogen at the Rover's, in't'it?  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: 14:18:40, 27-10-2007 »


... String players (even up to today) carefully tune their open strings to pure (=Pythagorean) 5ths - even though the resulting intervals disagree with the notes of an equally-tempered piano. [They prefer to avoid using open strings so as - inter alia - to conceal the mismatch.] ...

That's certainly how most "modern" string players learn to tune.  But among the original instrument brigade, we usually tune one string at a time to whatever keyboard is going, and try to fit into whatever temperament is being used.  This is especially important the more extreme the temperament, i.e. when playing at quarter- or sixth-comma meantone.  It takes some discipline not to succumb to the temptation to adjust one's strings to pure fifths, especially if it's warm and humid and one's strings are slipping.
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« Reply #6 on: 22:16:36, 27-10-2007 »

There is a body of opinion among string players that holds that the open fifths should be kept a little 'tight' from acoustically pure, at least when playing chamber music with piano (the equal-tempered fifth being smaller than the acoustically pure variety); I've noticed cellists and violists especially doing this with their open C, which is of course a fifth further along from the tuning note than a violin's low G. I've no idea how prevalent it is, though.

Ena, as far as I'm concerned your postings are very welcome indeed whatever their timing, with or without hairnet. Smiley Don't think I've had a chance to welcome you aboard yet - so welcome!

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« Reply #7 on: 16:30:15, 28-10-2007 »

Well-Temperament was largely a phenomenon that applied to keyboard instruments that were limited to 12 different pitches (only) to the octave. It was experimented with before the time of J. S. Bach, even though Mean Tone tuning systems had been the norm from the 16th to well into the 18th century.

The difficulty with Mean Tone systems was that they automatically excluded certain keys as being unviable due to certain very poor intervals. In particular, the pitch of Ab was quite different from that of G#. Depending upon whether the tuning proceeded sharpwards or flatwards from C (either being possible), the instrument was set with one or the other alternative between Ab and G#. It was not possible to use both notes on the same instrument without retuning, and the pitch difference is clearly recognized by Morley in his A Plaine and Easie Introduction to Practicall Musicke (1597).

In this passage, Morley explains how the semitonal chromatic move G-G# cannot be used because the instrument has an Ab (not a G#) that sounds one-eighth of a tone flat!…



Yet within only a few years of Morley’s advice John Bull’s Variations upon Ut, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol appeared in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. This piece employs no fewer than 12 different keys, and at one point the use of an enharmonic modulation causes G# and Ab to appear in the very same bar – and also in the same bar an A-Major chord to be given a Db instead of the usual C#.



Although it was some considerable time before Thomas Young developed a tuning system for Well Tempering keyboard instruments, it can be seen that for some time musicians had been experimenting with various methods that allowed greater variety in their tonal writing.

I shall shortly follow this with a more focussed posting on Bach’s employment of Well Temperament.
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« Reply #8 on: 17:07:06, 28-10-2007 »

Ey-up, Oor Ena!  I were sayin' jus' the same to Curly Watts las' week.

Johannes Tinctoris (who was, more-or-less certainly, Dufay's pupil) clearly saw the problem that arose from Mean-Tone tuning, and mentions it in his Liber de natura et proprietate tonorum.  Nearly two centuries before Morley, he doesn't attempt to suggest a "cure" for the problem, preferring instead to recommend avoidance of instances where intonational difficulties would occur. Yet Tinctoris was an advanced theoretician and far from a limited man...  I wonder if this is more a question of the medieval mindset, which saw earthly music as an anaology for the Music Of The Heavens, dependant on just proportion and Pythagorean principles.  Indeed, Tinctoris produced an entire book on this subject, De inventione et usu musice, which deals with music's metaphysical properties.  Perhaps it needed a "renaissance" mind like Morley's to admit that if one "fudged" the tuning a bit, the Heavens wouldn't fall out of the sky? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: 17:19:09, 28-10-2007 »

Ey-up, Oor Ena!  I were sayin' jus' the same to Curly Watts las' week.


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« Reply #10 on: 17:30:01, 28-10-2007 »


Johannes Tinctoris (who was, more-or-less certainly, Dufay's pupil) clearly saw the problem that arose from Mean-Tone tuning, and mentions it in his Liber de natura et proprietate tonorum.  Nearly two centuries before Morley, he doesn't attempt to suggest a "cure" for the problem, preferring instead to recommend avoidance of instances where intonational difficulties would occur. Yet Tinctoris was an advanced theoretician and far from a limited man...  I wonder if this is more a question of the medieval mindset, which saw earthly music as an anaology for the Music Of The Heavens, dependant on just proportion and Pythagorean principles.  Indeed, Tinctoris produced an entire book on this subject, De inventione et usu musice, which deals with music's metaphysical properties.  Perhaps it needed a "renaissance" mind like Morley's to admit that if one "fudged" the tuning a bit, the Heavens wouldn't fall out of the sky? Wink

Tinctoris in this work was talking about the nature of the plainsong tones, and (as I remember) complaining about singers who added sharps and flats to the sung melodies (preferring musica ficta to musica recta) which - according to Tinctoris - brought about a confusion of the mode. I'm not sure he was in any way thinking of keyboard tuning, and he (like most other theorists of the time) only explained acoustics in terms of the monochord.

I know (and hope!) you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: 17:57:40, 28-10-2007 »

Certainly true, Ena!  Tinctoris wasn't thinking in terms of keyboard instruments (although fretted strings of the period would have had similar built-in difficulties...  presumably that's why viol-frets are tied-on gut, and not metal... so they can be moved).  But he was certainly concerned about metaphysical issues too....  like many musicians of his time, he was in Minor Orders.  So "pure intervals" would have had a philosophical inference for him, quite apart from a musical one Wink
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« Reply #12 on: 18:57:52, 28-10-2007 »

...although fretted strings of the period would have had similar built-in difficulties...  presumably that's why viol-frets are tied-on gut, and not metal... so they can be moved... 

Too right Reiner, and they did move them. Some surviving examples show frets at irregular intervals, and others even with the frets slightly angled. This lute, made by T. Edlinger in the late-17th century, shows some of the frets slightly angled, and the disposition of frets seems to be arithmetic rather than geometric.

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« Reply #13 on: 03:34:56, 29-10-2007 »

Forgive me if this seems like waffle at first.

Persian carpet-makers, Chinese potters, and other artisans were in the habit of building intentional imperfections into their work for fear of insulting the divine -- not that they were thinking directly about the lessons of Orpheus or anything.

I just wonder if Tinctoris saw such things as the Pythagorean comma as evidence that the kingdom of heaven was superior to the earthly realm. It seems that 'fixing' such matters (by such mundane and unimaginative means as "Equal Temperament", which was mathematically understood centuries before), would have served to unacceptably paper over this distinction between Musica mundana and Musica caelestis. I can't help but think that more sophisticated efforts like various varieties of Well-temperament may have been seen in the same way.

I'd also want to get away from the suggestion that ET is a logical conclusion to the epic search for a universally suitable tuning. ET is Industrial Revolution, pure and simple. Perhaps we're already in a gree ment about that?
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« Reply #14 on: 04:33:40, 29-10-2007 »

I just wonder if Tinctoris saw such things as the Pythagorean comma as evidence that the kingdom of heaven was superior to the earthly realm. It seems that 'fixing' such matters (by such mundane and unimaginative means as "Equal Temperament", which was mathematically understood centuries before), would have served to unacceptably paper over this distinction between Musica mundana and Musica caelestis.

I'm sure you're not wrong there, CD  Wink  My own understanding of musica ficta is that it, too, represents an "earthly imperfection",  which is honoured in performance, but cannot be "respectably" notated - even though it's clearly understood that the accidentals are to be added, and they are intended by the composer.  Why else would you not write them into the notation?
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