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Author Topic: "The Really Terrible Orchestra" - why play in it? Why go to its concerts?  (Read 329 times)
Reiner Torheit
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« on: 06:37:31, 02-11-2007 »

Regardless of whom you may have been thinking about, there is an ensemble really called "The Really Terrible Orchestra" - and they give concerts.  You could even go.  If you wanted it to be Really Terrible, of course.

Some discussion about this phenomenon appears in the Daily Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/11/01/bmmcall101.xml

What do you think?  Would you perform in such an orchestra? Why do its players do so?  Is this about "music", or is it more a social phenomenon?
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« Reply #1 on: 07:57:22, 02-11-2007 »

The thing is it has all already been done long ago. As the admirable Mr. Lebrecht tells us in his article on the so-called "Scratch Orchestra": "Performances involved players some of whom could not read or play music sustaining a tune of their choice on any instrument for an indefinite period."

The Scratch Orchestra was thus we think an ensemble suited to the symphonies of Shotsacowitch (geddit?) a composer who could not write music.
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« Reply #2 on: 08:40:44, 02-11-2007 »

The answer to 'why play in it?' probably makes more sense than 'why go to its concerts?'. Learning how a piece of art works from the inside is always a valuable experience, and the orchestra was founded for its players rather than an audience; even if they make an imperfect hash of a piece, they'll have had a valuable insight into just how it alll fits together from the inside: a much more worthwhile exercise in musical analysis than some of the vapid dissection one hears from certain sources in Discovering Music.

 One might ask the same questions about an amateur dramatic or operatic society: the function is partially social, but there's also a personal challenge involved for the performers, both individually and collectively. In these days where much of our entertainment is on tap, though glossy but vacuous, there is a place perhaps for something far less polished, but real. Technical inexperience doesn't necessarily totally preclude interpretative insight either: the earliest recordings of Le Sacre , for example, where orchestras are being audibly stretched beyond their abilities, nevertheless convey facets of the score which are all too often glossed over in performances by modern, technically perfect, ensembles who have the piece so far under their fingers that they could play it in their sleep - and for all their involvement, might as well be.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:14:06, 02-11-2007 »

There's also an extent to which while learning an instrument you try to sound like everyone else. But when you drop a clanger, it's very much your own clanger. Smiley

I wouldn't expect that a group like the Portsmouth Sinfonia or the RTO would shed great light upon the music they were playing, but I can imagine it being an interesting experience. More to the point, an experience whose interestingness (and entertainingness) would depend very directly on the performing qualities of the musicians - in a way more so than in a 'normal' orchestral concert.

I've done vaguely similar things, attempting to perform on colleagues' instruments for more or less extended periods - never a whole concert though and if I happened to get a call from the RTO and could spare the time and they wanted me for an instrument I was curious to muck around with I'd certainly be up for it.  Cool
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« Reply #4 on: 11:12:06, 02-11-2007 »

Q: Why would you go to hear a performance by the Really Terrible Orchestra?
A: So you know which players not to book for your own concerts. Wink


And as for playing in it....  well i can't speak for playing in the RTO, but some sort of parallel applies to my local orchestra.  I often get grumpy about it never being good enough and never improving.  But I still play in it.

Why?  Well, one of the reasons is that it's actually still one of the better amateur ones in the region I live in.  The other main reason is that rehearsals are not religiously every week, and tend to be just over a few weekends before performance.

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« Reply #5 on: 12:36:01, 02-11-2007 »

It all sounds a bit like a motor trader I heard about who advertised his wares with terms like "Serious moth issues. Vintage velour upholstery, still retains original dog hairs. Lots of character; smells like the inside of a smoky pub".

Apparently he had a very encouraging (business) turnover.
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« Reply #6 on: 12:43:46, 02-11-2007 »

I've always thought it sounded like a bit of fun so I'd probably go if I had a chance!
I understand Alexander McCall Smith plays in it as there is an interview with him about it in a recent BBC music magazine.
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« Reply #7 on: 21:06:37, 02-11-2007 »

Isn't it simply that the orchestra makes everyone laugh?  I write as a long time admirer of the Portsmouth Sinfonia whose various recordings still tickle me - nothing quite like a quick burst of the Blue Danube with the PSO's unique pointing of the waltz rhythm, or their equally memorable rendition of the opening bars of Also Sprach - both free on-line -  to raise my spirits on a grey day.  Here's to grade 4.
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« Reply #8 on: 16:15:30, 11-11-2007 »

Isn't it simply that the orchestra makes everyone laugh?  I write as a long time admirer of the Portsmouth Sinfonia whose various recordings still tickle me - nothing quite like a quick burst of the Blue Danube with the PSO's unique pointing of the waltz rhythm, or their equally memorable rendition of the opening bars of Also Sprach - both free on-line -  to raise my spirits on a grey day.  Here's to grade 4.

Yes, I'd certainly go to hear them (and the Edinburgh one) if I could. It would just be so very funny.
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