Andy D
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There was a great prog on R4 this afternoon about the trials and tribulations of the page turner.
Having, as a non-musician, done the job once, I can well understand all the problems involved. I was asked by the concert organizer, with literally 5 minutes to go before the concert started, to do the page turning so I had a very brief discussion with the (Austrian) pianist about the scores - no time to even look at repeats which, fortunately, weren't a problem. It all went amazingly well but I've seen one disaster (at least) as an audience member, involving the page turner.
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #1 on: 00:07:34, 29-12-2007 » |
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I once turned up for a concert expecting to be in the audience. And thus not at all dressed for an appearance on stage. Before I could make it into the building the performer saw me and asked me to turn pages. I thought, OK, well, I look like a complete scruffpot but I've done this zillions of times before, how tricky can it be?
One of the pieces was one where the composer had tried out some notational experiments and the performer had rewritten a couple of things so that the pages were in a wide selection of amusingly different sizes. Also some of the things the compsoer had asked for sent the performer's hands and elbows flying all over the place so I did have to watch where I was standing or risk a small-scale but nonetheless potentially painful personal injury.
Another one was just one of those pieces where there's lots going on and not much of it sounds all that different from all the other things going on but one gets used to those.
And another one was a free-form piece. Which the performer had planned in detail but not formatted. 'I'll play this bit from this page and this bit from that page and then this other bit from the first page but while I'm playing that you have to take away the page behind it so I can go straight to the third page...'
I don't think too many people noticed me except for in the elbow-evading parts so I think that means it went OK.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #2 on: 00:15:39, 29-12-2007 » |
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Many of you will no doubt remember when Tasmin Little played a demanding new(ish?) violin piece at the Proms a few years ago. As she needed the music in front of her and it just wasn't possible to turn the pages herself, she had something like a computer screen in front of her and she controlled it with her foot.
But I'm glad Olly raised the subject of dress. Call me stuffy, but I've sometimes felt that a concert has been spoilt by the inappropriate clothes worn by the page turner. Something all in black would be OK, like a stage hand.
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« Reply #3 on: 00:21:15, 29-12-2007 » |
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I haven't turned pages too many times, as these days I tend to dwarf most performers. But my favourite was turning for one of the pianists in Les Noces: it's just such a terrific sound to be in the middle of!
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #4 on: 00:23:57, 29-12-2007 » |
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Something all in black would be OK, like a stage hand.
(A stage hand ) Often we don't get to choose, because a pre-concert imploration is all the notice we get! Often not a problem for me because, er, I tend to wear black anyway. I did have to turn pages once not so long ago for a duo. They played from separate scores. Fortunately they'd formatted them so that the page turns were in different places for both...
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MT Wessel
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« Reply #5 on: 00:59:46, 29-12-2007 » |
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....Often not a problem for me because, er, I tend to wear black anyway...
Oh! Impostor of Doom! It's time you turned over a new leaf and what better time of year?
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #6 on: 01:03:45, 29-12-2007 » |
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I did actually wear all white once for a concert. It ended up being the last concert I did with my then partner, who moved out a couple of days later. And one of the composers (Grisey) had died a few days before the gig although I didn't know it at the time. Might stick to black then if that's all right with you. (And, er, even if it isn't...)
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MT Wessel
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« Reply #7 on: 01:09:14, 29-12-2007 » |
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Nothing wrong with Black my Son ...
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #8 on: 02:41:38, 29-12-2007 » |
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I don't think too many people noticed me except for in the elbow-evading parts so I think that means it went OK.
It certainly did
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« Reply #9 on: 17:24:12, 29-12-2007 » |
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Earlier this year I turned pages for a harpsichordist playing a concerto with a single-string band. He was playing from a full score, there were tons of repeats, and everything moved along rather quickly. I hadn't been that nervous for a gig in years! I felt very conspicuous bobbing up and down so frequently among such a small group. I missed one turn, thinking they hadn't done the repeat yet when actually they had. But I think I was fairly well-dressed! Probably in black, or maybe black with purple - can't remember.
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #10 on: 17:30:59, 29-12-2007 » |
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Pet peeve: harpsichords with flimsy stands with not much lip on the bottom even though the player is using a big chunky volume from a collected edition. Especially if they're doing the Art of Fugue and swapping back and forth between various bits of the book and their own completion of the last fugue in loose-leaf. Another cherished page-turning memory...
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« Reply #11 on: 17:35:17, 29-12-2007 » |
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Harpsichords and chamber organs usually have flimsily-propped-up stands that enjoy collapsing backwards at inopportune moments, too. SMASH!
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #12 on: 17:48:23, 29-12-2007 » |
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A friend of mine was page-turning for his then-girlfriend-now-wife. The music started to fall from its stand. He placed his hand on the music to stop it falling. It was his open hand right in the middle of the passage then being played.
On the upside he now doesn't get asked to turn pages.
Ever.
Should have tried that trick in my callow youth before it was too late.
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« Reply #13 on: 17:59:47, 29-12-2007 » |
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Lucky the then-girlfriend became the wife after that - I imagine there would have been quite a row!
I suppose string players in sections act as page turners when sitting on the inside of a desk. I like to think I'm pretty good at it when in that position, but when I'm on the outside, I've sometimes had desk-partners drive me nuts with turning too soon or too late. Too soon is preferable - although I have been known to invent things to play, having failed to notice what the actual notes are before the page goes over... But leaving it too late feels like a game of chicken. I eye the approaching end of the page, eye my desk-partner, wonder if they've forgotten they're supposed to turn the page, try to remember if they have lightening-quick page-turning skills, try to remember what's on the other side, wonder if I can make something up or is it actually a rest... it's not at all distracting or anything!
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« Reply #14 on: 18:46:33, 29-12-2007 » |
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And then there's the moment when you've grabbed the corner and folded it over and are looking at the performer wondering which of those head movements is supposed to be the 'now!' one. Too soon is preferable - although I have been known to invent things to play, having failed to notice what the actual notes are before the page goes over... I turned pages for one pianist many years ago who was a bit of a wacko. It seemed she had never actually played the first bar of any page directly after the last bar of the preceding page. Alas the way I found this out was while turning for her in the concert - if any page actually began with notes, the first few would be sung until she worked out what came next. Another of those situations where everyone assumes it must be the page-turner's fault...
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