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IgnorantRockFan
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« on: 20:48:46, 23-03-2007 »

I came across this term in reference to playing the flute and I can't even guess what it might mean. Can somebody explain it? (In as few techncial terms as possible  Wink )

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« Reply #1 on: 22:30:00, 23-03-2007 »

IRF - as usual, wicki has a quick explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_breathing

As a sometime oboeist, I could never develop the technique, for fear of physical damage. I always think of that scene in The Right Stuff where they're competing to see how long they can keep a ping-pong ball afloat in a tube by breath alone.
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« Reply #2 on: 22:35:56, 23-03-2007 »

me neither Martle. Although Rolf Harris seems to have been able to do it.
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« Reply #3 on: 22:51:04, 23-03-2007 »

Thanks.

Hmmm...

I've just spent a few minutes trying to do it and concluded it's impossible  Grin

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« Reply #4 on: 22:54:00, 23-03-2007 »

IRF, you will die. Leave it to the professionals.

Kitty, here he is, practising the required embrochure:

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« Reply #5 on: 10:48:25, 07-04-2007 »

The important bit of the action is the part where the mouth expels the air in a controlled manner while you breathe in through the nose. It's supposed to be relatively easy on the oboe because the resistance of the reed makes that part of the action easier to control, unlike flute or recorder where the air just flies out before you have time to grab a new breath. (Clarinet is a little in between and I don't know how you would compare it with the brass instruments or dij.)

One suggestion I heard for beginning it is to take a mouthful of water and spit it out through pursed lips using only the cheeks. (Don't do this at the computer.) You then try that with a mouthful of air, of course - don't be afraid to inflate the cheeks (that's something beginners are always told never to do with woodwinds but if you're a beginner you're not ready for this yet anyway). Then take that to the instrument, playing shortish notes without actually breathing out from the lungs but not worrying about trying to breathe in at the same time yet either. You can work on making the cheek-propelled notes longer before you try to join them up with normally-played notes. The tricky part of course is joining the phases up. That's easier with active passages or trills and sometimes quite difficult to do unobtrusively with sustained notes.

One thing that's quite important especially with oboe is during long passages to let the air out as well as in - in other words to perform the same cheek action but letting 'old' air out through the nose so that it doesn't build up, since not much air actually comes out of the instrument.

There is NO danger of physical damage. (Or at least no more than there is playing the instrument in the normal way.)  Cool
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« Reply #6 on: 02:00:11, 08-04-2007 »

Hi oliver

I've just read your post on circular breathing ( I play the oboe ) and I've learned a lot. I've never tried circular breathing, but I suspect that's probably because I'm not at a high enough standard to need it or to attempt it. However, I'm not sure. I can think of a few pieces I've played recently where it would have been useful if not only to maintain the tone but to lessen the air pressure.  Is it something you work on and develop over a long time, like vibrato?

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« Reply #7 on: 22:50:21, 10-04-2007 »

Hi Catherine,

(We clarinettists don't usually work on our vibrato... a pity of course! Wink )

For me circular breathing is a bit like double-tonguing: it might never be expected of you (then again, it just might) but it's not only nice to have there just in case, it's an extra resource to bring to the kind of situation where the parameters are up to you. I don't know if you're often in such situations but for me it's sort of my job. It's certainly something that has to be worked on. I was lucky enough that it came very quickly but even so it always needs refining.
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« Reply #8 on: 01:29:41, 11-04-2007 »

The only time I ever fainted was when I tried to teach myself to circular breathe.  Might I suggest the newbies practice this away from sharp-edged furniture. 
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