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« on: 09:56:15, 20-06-2007 » |
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Oooh oooh oooh!
Had a rehearsal last night where we did 5 Strauss songs - Morgen, Befreit, Zueignung, Weigenleid and Meinem Kinder. Apart from Morgen, I didn't know these.
They are all wonderful, but I especially like Meinem Kinder and Morgen. Morgen seems to take on a different meaning after Befreit, too.
Do you know these? What other Strauss Songs (4 last excluded) would you recommend?
Tommo
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« Reply #1 on: 11:19:30, 20-06-2007 » |
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You've named some of the best.'Ruhe,Meine Seele' is another. And 'Der Spatboot' and 'Allerseelen' are worth exploring. And 'Die Nacht'.
I think the less interetsing Strauss songs are the many he wrote for hie wife when they were giving recitals - too many phrases with an upward leap; it becomes a cliche.
There used to be a fine 6-LP set of Fischer-Dieskau and Moore . A good candidare for one of those flowery EMI autumn bargain boxes.I don't suppose we'll be seeing those again.
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« Reply #2 on: 00:43:27, 21-06-2007 » |
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Less well-known but rather fine are the four Madchenblumen, especially No 3, Epheu.
And Heimliche Aufforderrung has wonderful schwung!
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #3 on: 08:20:08, 21-06-2007 » |
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It should never be forgotten that John Mackay was a tireless advocate of homosexualism, and that his poem Morgen! (To-morrow!) was written in praise of same-sex love. It was set by Reger as well as by Strauss, both admirably broad-minded German gentlemen. Another poem by Mackay, Heimliche Aufforderung (Secret Invitation), again with a homosexualistical ambience, was as the previous contributor mentions also set by Strauss. No ladies present in those poems! We shall post them on the poetry thread for the edification and admiration of Members.
Much further information about Mackay's life and works is available to Googlers.
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« Reply #4 on: 12:04:56, 21-06-2007 » |
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Anyway...
Of modern recordings, why not try the two Hyperion discs with Christine Brewer and Anne Schwanewilms - they each deserve the superlatives they've recieved in the press. Or if you'd prefer a tenor in this music, Jonas Kaufmann's recital on Harmonia Mundi is similarly excellent.
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« Reply #5 on: 13:07:33, 21-06-2007 » |
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I was always fond of the double CD by Edita Gruberova, of which my copy somehow disappeared, and now it isn't available any more. Apart from containing most of the well-known songs, the collection emphasises (as you'd expect) the more lyrical areas of Strauss's song output. I used to have the DFD set but (admirer as I am) I feel that most of the songs benefit from a less "analytical" approach than his - this music is much simpler for the most part than say Hugo Wolf, after all, and can easily suffer from "overinterpretation". Has anyone heard this?  It must contain a huge amount of very rarely-heard material. |
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thompson1780
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« Reply #6 on: 23:45:42, 21-06-2007 » |
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It should never be forgotten that John Mackay was a tireless advocate of homosexualism, and that his poem Morgen! (To-morrow!) was written in praise of same-sex love. It was set by Reger as well as by Strauss, both admirably broad-minded German gentlemen. Another poem by Mackay, Heimliche Aufforderung (Secret Invitation), again with a homosexualistical ambience, was as the previous contributor mentions also set by Strauss. No ladies present in those poems! We shall post them on the poetry thread for the edification and admiration of Members.
Much further information about Mackay's life and works is available to Googlers.
Thanks Syd - very interesting. Whilst Mackay intended to praise same-sex love, do you know if Strauss took it that way (ooer). I mean, when he composed his song, was heterosexual or homosexual love in mind? Tommo |
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« Reply #7 on: 00:29:02, 22-06-2007 » |
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I was always fond of the double CD by Edita Gruberova, of which my copy somehow disappeared, and now it isn't available any more. I've located a couple of sets in the States, used, and not exactly cheap at around $55, but if you're desperate..... |
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« Reply #8 on: 01:24:10, 22-06-2007 » |
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I mean, when he composed his song, was heterosexual or homosexual love in mind? We too wondered about that. But we have concluded that even if he was for some reason - we need a true historian - unaware of the context at the time of composition, upon its appearance some one among his wide and worldly acquaintance would have indubitably wised him up quick smart. |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #9 on: 09:01:46, 22-06-2007 » |
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I mean, when he composed his song, was heterosexual or homosexual love in mind? We too wondered about that. But we have concluded that even if he was for some reason - we need a true historian - unaware of the context at the time of composition, upon its appearance some one among his wide and worldly acquaintance would have indubitably wised him up quick smart.Might one just wonder en passant why Mr Grew, who habitually eschews anything with a transatlantic tinge, has suddenly adopted this rather ersatz colloquialism? |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #10 on: 09:36:02, 22-06-2007 » |
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I mean, when he composed his song, was heterosexual or homosexual love in mind? We too wondered about that. But we have concluded that even if he was for some reason - we need a true historian - unaware of the context at the time of composition, upon its appearance some one among his wide and worldly acquaintance would have indubitably wised him up quick smart.Might one just wonder en passant why Mr Grew, who habitually eschews anything with a transatlantic tinge, has suddenly adopted this rather ersatz colloquialism? That's not an Americamism as far as I know.. |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #11 on: 09:49:31, 22-06-2007 » |
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Hence the use of 'ersatz'...
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« Reply #12 on: 10:03:11, 22-06-2007 » |
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Thanks Ron. I was missing the point slightly ...
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« Reply #13 on: 10:38:38, 22-06-2007 » |
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Sounds like one of those not-quite-right Americanisms that end up, to his admirers' great embarrassment  , in Tippett librettos ("Keep your nose clean of my affairs", "Wow! this chick wants balling?". Ersatz rather than lingua franca; not quite bona fide, mutatis mutandis. 'Indubitably' is reassuringly pure Bertie Wooster though so we are safely back on terra cotta there. |
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« Reply #14 on: 10:52:12, 22-06-2007 » |
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"Keep your nose clean of my affairs" What's known as une métaphore mixée, George.  Anyway, neither of the two Tippett oddities which immediately spring to my mind are Americanisms, ersatz or otherwise: 'Prince Hector will be wanting his bath when he comes in from fighting' (which, it must be conceded, is very 'singable'!), and, my all-time favourite: 'Give me the secateurs!' |
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