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Author Topic: Music at Bletchley Park  (Read 511 times)
pim_derks
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« on: 20:19:05, 08-08-2007 »

"When I got to Bletchley, it was like going to a music college."

Conductor, broadcaster, writer and TV/radio producer Bernard Keeffe talks about his wartime cipher decoding work at Bletchley Park, the musicians he met there (Daniel Jones (Under Milk Wood), Herbert Murrill, Wilfred Dunwell) and a Bletchley production of Ralph Vaughan Williams's Mass in G Minor, recorded by Alec Robertson:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ub6l8t

(fragment from Feedback, 20 July 2007, BBC Radio 4)



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« Reply #1 on: 10:43:47, 09-08-2007 »

Now isn't that interesting?I was very glad to hear that music and mathematics existed side by side in harmony when the rest of the world was tearing itself apart.

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« Reply #2 on: 13:40:20, 09-08-2007 »

But surely, music and mathematics have always existed side by side, the siamese twins of reason and emotion?
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« Reply #3 on: 13:53:43, 09-08-2007 »

Ah, but which is which? Wink
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« Reply #4 on: 09:04:24, 10-08-2007 »

I've always loved music but loathed mathematics, because I'm the  mathematical equivalent of 'tone deaf ('innumerate'?). I am however deeply appreciative of the achievements of Alan Turing and his colleagues.
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« Reply #5 on: 09:47:12, 10-08-2007 »

What was the name of that (reputable and genuine) lady composer who encoded secret messages into her works? They were broadcast by the B.B.C. of course - for which she worked either during the war or later. It would be interesting to find out the precise method of encoding she used.
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« Reply #6 on: 11:06:49, 10-08-2007 »

Just before the Great War started, the German Spy Ring used invisible ink for concealing secret letters in musical scores:

http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page236.html

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« Reply #7 on: 12:27:12, 10-08-2007 »

Ah! We have found her. Elizabeth Poston was her name:


Members may read about her here:

http://crbell.orpheusweb.co.uk/fofconlyc/ep/poston.html

What fascinating links Mr. Derks has unearthed!
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« Reply #8 on: 12:48:00, 10-08-2007 »

The invisible ink story reminds us of two other secret agents employing sheet music to hide their messages. Special Agent Gustav Mahler of the Austrian Geheimdienst was despatched in the early years of the 20th century to gather intelligence in the United States. Not finding any he returned home, but commenced a programme of encoding information in his own works. One of his final messages before he was neutralised with the aid of a bacterial weapon of unknown provenance reads in part "Du allein weißt, was es bedeutet... Leb wol, mein Saitenspiel... Leb wol leb wol Almschi". Here the reference to an unknown 'string game' is clearly a code, perhaps referring to advanced techniques for mind control at a distance, but the rest of the message remains obscure.

Agent Comrade Dmitri Shostakovich was also engaged in encoding messages in his scores but appears to have been at the very least a double agent. After his death several groups of insurgents, counter-insurgents and counter-counter-insurgents broke into bitter and acrimonious fighting over the contents of Shostakovich's encoded messages, each group claiming the messages were intended for them. On questioning, no two groups could agree on the content of the messages or even how and where exactly they had been encoded, although each individual agent claimed the messages to be perfectly intelligible, some even denying that they were in code at all. Several reputable and disreputable musicologists had to be kept under custodial supervision for extended periods for their own safety. It seems Comrade Shostakovich had the last laugh.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:51:21, 10-08-2007 »

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« Reply #10 on: 12:52:21, 10-08-2007 »

Who are these cryptic 'fallists' of whom you speak?
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« Reply #11 on: 13:51:21, 10-08-2007 »

I've always loved music but loathed mathematics, because I'm the  mathematical equivalent of 'tone deaf ('innumerate'?). I am however deeply appreciative of the achievements of Alan Turing and his colleagues.

If any of the BBC's old "Think of a number" programmes with Johnny Ball are available in video recordings, snap them up! Go make a nuisance of yourself at the library and see if they have anything! The mathematics I was supposed to be learning at school could have put me off for life, but (complete ineptitude notwithstanding) J.B. set me right.

The invisible ink story reminds us of two other secret agents employing sheet music to hide their messages. Special Agent Gustav Mahler of the Austrian Geheimdienst was despatched in the early years of the 20th century to gather intelligence in the United States. Not finding any he returned home, but commenced a programme of encoding information in his own works. One of his final messages before he was neutralised with the aid of a bacterial weapon of unknown provenance reads in part "Du allein weißt, was es bedeutet... Leb wol, mein Saitenspiel... Leb wol leb wol Almschi". Here the reference to an unknown 'string game' is clearly a code, perhaps referring to advanced techniques for mind control at a distance, but the rest of the message remains obscure.

Is it possible? Could Mahler, like Tesla, have been decades ahead of his time? Perhaps I am barking in the wrong forest entirely (interesting picture Kitty) but I find myself wondering if Mahler began to discover the implications of string theory in the early 1900s? In fact, conspiracy theorists believe that string theory was understood long ago by the Inca people, strengthening the notion that they were assisted in the building of their temples by extraterrestrials.
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« Reply #12 on: 21:33:43, 10-08-2007 »

Ah! We have found her. Elizabeth Poston was her name:


Members may read about her here:

http://crbell.orpheusweb.co.uk/fofconlyc/ep/poston.html

What fascinating links Mr. Derks has unearthed!

You're welcome, Mr Grew. Wink

Elizabeth Poston is a new name to me. I haven't found much about the encoded messages in her music so far. I saw somewhere that Radio 4 made a programme about it.
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