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Ian Pace
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« on: 19:49:01, 25-08-2007 »

Thought perhaps the thread on singers' autobiographies might be expanded to cover biographies of musicians in general? Musicians' biographies really came into their own in the nineteenth-century, with Stendhal's biography of Rossini, Philipp Spitta's of Bach, Otto Jahn's of Mozart, Thayer's of Beethoven, and so on (later Max Kalbeck's epic hagiography of Brahms falls into this category). Nowadays there are swathes of biographies of composers, performers and sometimes other figures associated with music, of all types. I wondered which biographies anyone liked, what they look for in a biography, what might make biographies important, and so on? Anyone fond of 'documentary biographies' that essentially tell the story of someone's life through a judicious selection of primary sources (a tradition of biographical writing which is more prominent in German than in English)?

Some contemporary biographies I like:
Christoph Wolff on Bach
Peter Gay on Mozart
David Wyn Jones and Lewis Lockwood on Beethoven
Christopher Gibb on Schubert
John Daverio on Robert Schumann
Nancy B. Reich, Monica Steegmann, Beatrix Borchard on Clara Schumann
Alan Walker on Liszt
Siegfried Kross, Karl Geiringer and Styra Avins on Brahms (and the much earlier biography by Florence May)
Stephen Walsh on Stravinsky (haven't read the second volume fully yet, though)
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« Reply #1 on: 20:48:20, 25-08-2007 »

Hi Ian
Dont tend to read many biographies unless really interested in composer
ones i like are
Delius as i knew him by Eric Fenby
also Delius by Sir Thomas Beecham
from the master musicians series Vaughan Williams by James Day
Bax by Colin Scott Sutherland
Shostakovitch - The man and his music edited by Christopher Norris
Have read and enjoyed all the above
One i have in my collection but not yet read am very curious about
Its Mahler Remembered by Norman Lebrecht - Norman seems to have a very bad press by many on both boards but thought id read it and draw my own conclusions - anything about Mahler must be worth reading Huh
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« Reply #2 on: 20:51:52, 25-08-2007 »

Open in front of me on the desk as I research some programme notes is the Messiaen biography by Peter Hill and Nigel Simeone. It has a few imprecisions here and there (I do wish they'd checked how to spell Sherbrooke Forest...) but lots of documentary material and Messiaen's story is moving in itself. (To me, anyway.)
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« Reply #3 on: 21:07:20, 25-08-2007 »

OS any opinions of M Robert Sherlaw Johnson's Messiaen book?
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« Reply #4 on: 21:10:39, 25-08-2007 »

Better wait until I've read it before I express an opinion there. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 21:36:23, 25-08-2007 »

OS any opinions of M Robert Sherlaw Johnson's Messiaen book?
Sherlaw Johnson's book isn't really a biography; it was the first major study of Messiaen's work to appear in English, and was fairly comprehensive for its time. I've got the impression from speaking to various Messiaen scholars that they don't think very much of it nowadays; certainly when I first read it it gave a lot of valuable information that wasn't otherwise easily accessible. The updated version gives only the most cursory treatment to the later works, though. For a study of the music, plenty of the essays in The Messiaen Companion, edited Peter Hill, are good. Griffiths' book is OK, but doesn't really cover much territory that wasn't also covered in Sherlaw Johnson, until one gets to the later works. I haven't yet read Hill and Simeone's new biography, nor that by Christopher Dingle, nor the various books on the Quatour pour la fin du temps that have appeared in recent years. There's also a new book on the work, Olivier Messiaen: Music, Art and Literature edited by Dingle and Simeone, which I would imagine is likely to have lots of good stuff in it.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:39:49, 25-08-2007 »

Thought perhaps the thread on singers' autobiographies might be expanded to cover biographies of musicians in general? Musicians' biographies really came into their own in the nineteenth-century, with Stendhal's biography of Rossini, Philipp Spitta's of Bach, Otto Jahn's of Mozart, Thayer's of Beethoven, and so on (later Max Kalbeck's epic hagiography of Brahms falls into this category). Nowadays there are swathes of biographies of composers, performers and sometimes other figures associated with music, of all types. I wondered which biographies anyone liked, what they look for in a biography, what might make biographies important, and so on? Anyone fond of 'documentary biographies' that essentially tell the story of someone's life through a judicious selection of primary sources (a tradition of biographical writing which is more prominent in German than in English)?

Some contemporary biographies I like:
Christoph Wolff on Bach
Peter Gay on Mozart
David Wyn Jones and Lewis Lockwood on Beethoven
Christopher Gibb on Schubert
John Daverio on Robert Schumann
Nancy B. Reich, Monica Steegmann, Beatrix Borchard on Clara Schumann
Alan Walker on Liszt
Siegfried Kross, Karl Geiringer and Styra Avins on Brahms (and the much earlier biography by Florence May)
Stephen Walsh on Stravinsky (haven't read the second volume fully yet, though)
Some great stuff here - and certainly rather Daverio than Worthen which seems to have an agenda to point-prove by means of prioritising the pathological above the musical - Walker on Liszt is quite simply required reading and the excellent Walsh on Stravinsky is, frankly, peerless in my 'umble opinion (and that is an opinion that stands regardless of the fact that - dare I admit it - his subject has always struck me as one of the most overrated figures in music - sorry, folks, I know that I'm inviting megatons of abuse upon my silly head but I'd almost rather do that than be totally dishonest...)

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« Reply #7 on: 21:44:52, 25-08-2007 »

the excellent Walsh on Stravinsky is, frankly, peerless in my 'umble opinion (and that is an opinion that stands regardless of the fact that - dare I admit it - his subject has always struck me as one of the most overrated figures in music - sorry, folks, I know that I'm inviting megatons of abuse upon my silly head but I'd almost rather do that than be totally dishonest...)
In some ways I wouldn't wholly disagree with you in that respect (and particularly wonder about the higher canonical status he is accorded than Prokofiev) - but that's not for this thread... Wink
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« Reply #8 on: 21:53:09, 25-08-2007 »

I would agree that I get a heck of a lot more out of Prok than out of Strav... all the same, part of what gets a composer 'canonical' is proposing directions that later music takes up and I'd have to admit that even though he doesn't turn my crank often, Igor scores very highly in that department.
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« Reply #9 on: 21:54:19, 25-08-2007 »

One object that features in Schumann's biography to give some people here nightmares - this is Johann Bernard Logier's 'Chiroplast' designed for strengthening the fingers, which Schumann used, leading to permanent paralysis.....



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« Reply #10 on: 21:55:51, 25-08-2007 »

I would agree that I get a heck of a lot more out of Prok than out of Strav... all the same, part of what gets a composer 'canonical' is proposing directions that later music takes up and I'd have to admit that even though he doesn't turn my crank often, Igor scores very highly in that department.
But I sometimes wonder if that is so fundamental to canonisation - thinking of the fact that Ravel is canonised, and it's much harder to make the case for his being a highly influential figure?
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« Reply #11 on: 21:57:26, 25-08-2007 »

this is Johann Bernard Logier's 'Chiroplast'
Now are you sure it was really that and not mercury treatment for his youthful indiscretions which did for his fingers? (No pictures please... Wink)

But I sometimes wonder if that is so fundamental to canonisation - thinking of the fact that Ravel is canonised, and it's much harder to make the case for his being a highly influential figure?
Perhaps not in some respects but certainly his attitude to sonority for example proved rather enduring. Anyway it's a complex mixture of things this whole canon business. At least composers don't have to be beatified first.

That's a thought - any chance of Saint Olivier? He would seem to have the best chance among composers as far as I can tell. Saint Karlheinz rather blew his chances there.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:51:41, 25-08-2007 »

Better wait until I've read it before I express an opinion there. Smiley
I read it at a quite tender age when La Transfiguration was the most recent piece covered - I don't know if there's been a revised edition since then - and I found it rather plodding and simplistic. Hill and Simeone's recent biography is very well worth reading, in fact it's one of the more absorbing composer biographies I've read and contains more insights into the work (and Messiaen's work process) that one might expect, plus a balancing of all the available evidence regarding the circumstances of the composition and premiere of the Quatuor. I recommend it very highly, in other words.
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« Reply #13 on: 23:01:53, 25-08-2007 »

In some ways I wouldn't wholly disagree with you in that respect...

A very 'Ian' phrase if you don't mind me saying so Cheesy Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: 23:17:36, 25-08-2007 »

I have a biography of Prokofiev by Claude Samuel, a French critic. The trouble is he's very sniffy about the 7th symphony, dismissing it as banal. But it's one of my favourite works by Prokofiev.
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