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It is a fact greatly to be regretted that these indications are with each year that passes becoming rarer among the modernists. Do the Members have a favourite passage marked thus?
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #1 on: 11:31:55, 27-08-2007 » |
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I am rather partial to dolcelatte - "to be played in a cheesy manner".
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #2 on: 11:38:26, 27-08-2007 » |
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I'd agree that "sweet" does seem to have gone out of fashion musically speaking. What goes around comes around and I expect we'll go full circle again in the fulness of time.
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We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
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« Reply #3 on: 11:49:44, 27-08-2007 » |
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I use it from time to time (though not dolcissimo it should be said).
Always room for a bit of sweetness in the thorny craw of rebarbative modernist calumny.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #4 on: 12:14:19, 27-08-2007 » |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
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« Reply #5 on: 13:06:40, 27-08-2007 » |
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I cherish my flauto dolce even though my "keepsake pipe" be dismissed as a child's toy.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #6 on: 13:20:59, 27-08-2007 » |
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It is a fact greatly to be regretted that these indications are with each year that passes becoming rarer among the modernists. The Member(s) might care to revise the meaning of the word "fact". He/they appear(s) to be confounding it with the word "fantasy", a confusion perhaps arising from the similarity in the very beginnings of these words. |
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« Reply #7 on: 13:27:39, 27-08-2007 » |
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Is the French term doux to be equated with the Italian term in this context we wonder? Doubtless at least part of the decline of dolce is to do with the tendency among composers to employ their native languages, rather than resorting to Italian as a putative lingua franca.
A wry grin did cross our face as we beheld the direction expressif in Boulez' Dérive 2 we must say.
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« Reply #8 on: 13:41:56, 27-08-2007 » |
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I make a point of using dolce at least once in every work, lest I be seen as unfriendly or even sadistic. It really works! People hate me less ever since I started this convention.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #9 on: 13:43:46, 27-08-2007 » |
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Is the French term doux to be equated with the Italian term in this context we wonder? Doubtless at least part of the decline of dolce is to do with the tendency among composers to employ their native languages, rather than resorting to Italian as a putative lingua franca  |
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Baziron
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« Reply #10 on: 13:47:56, 27-08-2007 » |
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It is a fact greatly to be regretted that these indications are with each year that passes becoming rarer among the modernists. Do the Members have a favourite passage marked thus?
The Doctor asks about dolce. Well, I happened upon this, and thought "Mm".  Baz  |
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George Garnett
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« Reply #11 on: 13:55:27, 27-08-2007 » |
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Does anyone dare use molto saccharino?
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« Reply #12 on: 14:04:16, 27-08-2007 » |
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Mm indeed, Baziron. Was about to write something cheeky there but thought better of it.  I use the term dolce often in music. Dolcissimo doesn't really seem necessary as most musicians are quite aware of the intentions of dolce and dolcissimo rather implies that there's a limit to their sweetness  (It has to be said that some here might not really consider me to fit the term 'modernist'. Whatever - that's just a matter of opinion isn't it?) |
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Baziron
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« Reply #13 on: 14:13:51, 27-08-2007 » |
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Mm indeed, Baziron. Was about to write something cheeky there but thought better of it. I use the term dolce often in music. Dolcissimo doesn't really seem necessary as most musicians are quite aware of the intentions of dolce and dolcissimo rather implies that there's a limit to their sweetness (It has to be said that some here might not really consider me to fit the term 'modernist'. Whatever - that's just a matter of opinion isn't it?) 'Modernist' can seem like such a pejorative term! What would be of more help is this: Would The Doctor kindly tell us all what - to him - the words dolce and dolcissimo actually (to him) MEAN? Baz |
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Colin Holter
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« Reply #14 on: 15:38:15, 27-08-2007 » |
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The closest thing to dolce in my music is probably "with exaggerated, sarcastic sentimentality."
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