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Author Topic: Credit Where Credit's Due...  (Read 177 times)
thompson1780
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« on: 00:13:10, 01-12-2007 »

I heard Bach's concerto for 4 keyboards the other day, which you may know is pretty much Vivaldi's concerto for 4 violins, but transcribed.

Anyway, it got me wondering why it gets referred to as Bach's concerto for 4 keyboards.  Is it any more Bach's than Schoenberg could lay claim to Brahms' Piano Quartet?

Do orchestrators get appropriate credit for their work?  Does it depend on how much they added to the work?

Does Ravel even get a mention nowadays for Pictures at an Exhibition?

Tommo


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richard barrett
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« Reply #1 on: 01:01:43, 01-12-2007 »

Bach's concerto for 4 keyboards. 

The modern concept of "intellectual ownership" didn't exist back then, I think. Composers were borrowing from each other all over the place. Handel was a particular culprit; often he transformed his models into something quite different, but also often he just left them as they were. If Vivaldi had known about Bach's strange arrangement of his piece, which I'm pretty sure he couldn't have done, he probably wouldn't have minded particularly: his op.3 collection, containing that four-violin concerto (and two other four-violin concertos too, among other things), had been published and I'd presume he'd been paid, so the music was in the public domain and people were just as welcome to arrange it for different instruments as they were to play it.

I thought Ravel always got his credit for Pictures, especially as he wasn't the only one to arrange it for orchestra.
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autoharp
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« Reply #2 on: 08:21:39, 01-12-2007 »

How much credit should Cornelius Cardew get for realising/composing Stockhausen's Carre?

Come to think of it, who got the credit for composing 80-85% of Birtwistle's Oresteia?
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« Reply #3 on: 09:16:33, 01-12-2007 »

Come to think of it, who got the credit for composing 80-85% of Birtwistle's Oresteia?

Do tell more, autoharp Cool. I didn't know that. Ambiguous references to unspecified 'assisting' in the programme by Ben Mason(?) and Malcolm Bennett(?). Goodness, John Harle and Jane Manning no less among the performers. I don't remember that registering before.
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« Reply #4 on: 09:35:06, 01-12-2007 »

Come to think of it, who got the credit for composing 80-85% of Birtwistle's Oresteia?
Or the first page of Refrains and Choruses for that matter?
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