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Author Topic: Composer! Your finest minute!  (Read 1422 times)
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #30 on: 00:03:51, 13-01-2008 »

The whole Ravel left hand concerto's pretty amazing but for me the gliss the whole length of the keyboard takes some beating. Sort of as if the whole piece had been heading towards it in a kind of 'I may only have one hand but look how much of this thing I can set ringing at once' kind of way.

We regret that we are unable to join the Member in his evident approval of glissandi. We do not understand how it is possible to perform them without injury to one's hands, the instrument itself, or both. Throughout the twentieth century there was a lamentable tendency among composers of the less serious kind to treat musical instruments in general in ways in which it was not their manufacturers' intention that they should be treated. The process reached a climax of perversity in Stockhausen and his school; here for example we see all that remained of a beautiful Bösendorfer pianoforte after a performance of one of Stockhausen's later Pieces.
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« Reply #31 on: 02:49:46, 13-01-2008 »

We regret that we cannot share the Member's approval of glissandi. We do not understand how it is possible to perform them without injury to one's hands, the instrument itself, or both.

Member Grew, my own attempts at playing the pianoforte in a popular style at parties have frequently resulted in an unfortunate trail of red.

Back to OP, I'm pretty sure that the joys and passions section of ASZ comes in under a minute.  I rather like that.

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« Reply #32 on: 09:35:01, 13-01-2008 »

...The process reached a climax of perversity in Stockhausen and his school; here for example we see all that remained of a beautiful Bösendorfer pianoforte after a performance of one of Stockhausen's later Pieces.



Possibly Mr Grew bestows upon Stockausen undue respect here? If memory serves me correctly, the above shot was taken before a Stockhausen performance (not afterwards). As he (unkowingly) approached his final year, he had a startling vision of a new kind of improvised Movement for Prepared Piano. Unfortunately, the piano 'preparers' (shown above) had not done their homework properly and had mistaken the composer's written directions for preparation. This - as is all too painfully clear - resulted in the execution of the piano rather than the performance.

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« Reply #33 on: 09:49:10, 13-01-2008 »

We regret that we are unable to join the Member in his evident approval of glissandi. We do not understand how it is possible to perform them without injury to one's hands, the instrument itself, or both.

Practice. Wink

We are ourselves no pianist but have been enjoying a few bashes through the said concerto in recent times purely for our own amusement. The glissandi are really no great problem - they need no great amount of force (the resulting dynamic level is, rather, a result of the number of notes they set ringing) and as long as the friction between the fingers and the keys is not too high nothing too horrible can result. Of course one must undertake a few experiments along the way to find a safe method but a few minor scrapes during one's school years are part and parcel are not they? And until one has found something appropriate one can in many cases use the backs of the fingernails.

The Stockhausen situation as regards his Piano Piece 10 is certainly rather more drastic. It employs glissandi in clusters and early performances did indeed often end with blood on the keys. One early player employed dustings of chalk to lessen the friction and his performances apparently ended in a cloud of chalk dust with him barely visible. But the standard now-a-days is the employment of bicycle gloves covering only the palm of the hand.



We have often thought an appropriately rubberised version of one of these might have interesting applications.



There are on the other hand some (to us, not to such as Member Pace) horrendous stretches required at many points in the Ravel left hand concerto (a couple of elevenths on the black notes, and not always with the most convenient notes in between... and in a texture which is later repeated verbatim by the orchestra so arpeggiation is not really ideal). That's another story.
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« Reply #34 on: 10:49:27, 13-01-2008 »

There are on the other hand...   horrendous stretches required at many points in the Ravel left hand concerto.

Now, now, Mr S.
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« Reply #35 on: 10:53:33, 13-01-2008 »

There are on the other hand...   horrendous stretches required at many points in the Ravel left hand concerto.

Hmm, that suggests you can use the right hand, isn't that cheating?  Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: 15:19:22, 13-01-2008 »

Oops!  Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: 20:37:34, 13-01-2008 »

I suppose choosing 2 minutes of a composers work is a kinda thing CFM might latch on too nevertheless would choose
1. The opening of the slow movement of Bruckners 7th - its so spiritually beautiful
2. The final part of Die Natalis - such a sense of longing
3. In complete contrast the last couple minutes of first part of The Rite of Spring - incredibly exciting
4. Countless two minute bits of Wagner inbetween the boring bits (sorry)
Must be loads more but enough for time being.... Grin

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« Reply #38 on: 20:35:12, 14-01-2008 »

That haunting melody in Tosca we hear just before Cavaradossi's execution.....WOW!!!:o I had no idea the whole piano score would be online but here it is!!!! at LARGO CON GRAVITA:

http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/bhr8215/large/index.html


But now I see that that link takes you to the title page - just clink on the last link of Act III and it should take you to the right page. Smiley

And you can hear a little from just after that if you click on sample 19 here:
http://www.amazon.com/Puccini-complete-Giuseppe-Stefano-Orchestra/dp/B000002RXZ

Sorry I can't do clever homemade links to selected passages!



 
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« Reply #39 on: 20:51:04, 14-01-2008 »

I've got the Callas Tosca on CD MJ - I'll have to find the bit you're referring to.
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« Reply #40 on: 21:05:37, 14-01-2008 »

I've always thought of that as the Elgar tune...  Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: 21:16:25, 14-01-2008 »

Blimey MJ, that score you gave a link to is difficult to follow on-line compared with a paper copy.

So what happened in the end? Cheesy
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« Reply #42 on: 21:31:40, 14-01-2008 »

Actually I could single out countless passages in Puccini operas which enchant or thrill me - that's just one of them. Scarpia's theme at the close of Act 1 is another one. And the end of Boheme, from that heart-broken C# minor chord always makes me cry...but I love it. (Can't find that score online.)   
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #43 on: 11:03:26, 19-01-2008 »

Think of a favourite composer and chose just approximately 1 minute of his/her music that you feel displays that composer's mastery of his/her art, a finely crafted minute of music that you never tire of but which always reminds you that, here, is the genius of his/her music/orchestration/composition.

It can be a short piece or a minute or so from a symphony or opera, anything about 1 minute duration.

Rather a pity would it not be were this thread to lose its momentum. There are at least twenty minutes we could add to-morrow but we would prefer to hear other Members' selections!!!!!!

And that talk about "lack of context" is a quite enormous misconception; for it must be assumed that every well-rounded Member is already familiar with almost every minute of the repertoire.
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« Reply #44 on: 12:28:13, 19-01-2008 »


And that talk about "lack of context" is a quite enormous misconception; for it must be assumed that every well-rounded Member is already familiar with almost every minute of the repertoire.


We do not share the member's corpulence.  We are not familiar with almost every minute of the repertoire. We are not confident that member Grew is either.
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